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    Default Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    My question involves a traffic citation from the state of: CO

    Can City of Denver police issue parking tickets at the Post Office ie federal property. Would not a defense be that they lack jurisdiction?

    So I get ticket at 5:30 am in a hadicapped spot. There are 7 spots available. Cop pulls up behind me and blocks my free movement. False imprisonment? Really, 5:30 am and 6 open handicapped spots. Perhaps a warning would suffice..

    Anyway, I go downtown to the "magistrate" and he says he will cut my $300 ticket in half to $150. Why $300? Oh, because I'm late to his "court" by literally 3 hours. See, I got there in 20 days plus 3 hours so the $150 goes to $300. And I'm suppossed to kiss his *ss and say thank you? You don't know me very well yet.

    I tell him this is simply bogus and that I came down to pay $75 or half of the original amount. No dice. He tells me it will be a "minimum" of $326 at this point if I walk out the door.

    No wonder these urban areas are so backwards and have no money. Anyone, with an IQ above 50, knows it's all about the money. If you don't think so then your IQ is 49 or less or you are employed by the very system that is ripping us off. Guess what the brilliant "magistrate" netted for the City of Denver? Negative dollars. How you ask? Because I can assure you that they will not get a plug nickel from me while I make sure that that use max time and effort dealing with me - Negative dollars. What morons.

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    You're not handicapped, so you don't get to park in handicapped spaces. It really is that simple.

    Did you have a question or did you just want to vent?

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    Yes, the city police can issue parking citations in the Post Office parking lot. In fact, they also respond to crime reports there, too, I imagine. All because it is a federal office does NOT mean the local police lack jurisdiction.

    Heck, if that were the case, I would not have to take crime reports that occur in the lobby of the county buildings here in town! That would be sweet! Heck, until 8 years ago, my city police department was required to take reports of crimes that occurred at the jail! Nothing like 40 statements of, "I didn't see nothin' ..."

    So, either pay the fine or challenge the citation. Take a look at the requirements for the proper posting and marking of handicapped spaces in your state and locale and see if the markings conform to state and local law. In my experience close to half of all commercial handicapped parking spaces are improperly marked ... but, in CA we have some very specific laws on the matter, CO may not be quite as particular.

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

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    . Guess what the brilliant "magistrate" netted for the City of Denver? Negative dollars. How you ask? Because I can assure you that they will not get a plug nickel from me while I make sure that that use max time and effort dealing with me - Negative dollars. What morons.
    well, they will most likely either get money from you or your presence in the local jail. But heck, at least they won't be getting any of your money..


    oh, except for the fact that your taxes pay for the jail, the court, the judge...

    but that's ok. You show 'em you ain't taking none of their stuff. I think you should set in jail until they simply get tired or looking at your face. That will show 'em.
    I love this part though:

    Cop pulls up behind me and blocks my free movement. False imprisonment?
    false imprisonment for giving you a ticket for breaking the law? you don't really even remotely believe that do you?

    Really, 5:30 am and 6 open handicapped spots. Perhaps a warning would suffice..
    based on your statements, it obviously would not suffice. You see no problem with what you did so you would most likely repeat it. This way, since it is going to cost you at least $300, maybe you will think before doing it again.

    but then if you don't, it's only money. Your money.

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    Guys...

    The self described intelligent man turned a $150 fine into $325 because he, apparently, cannot tell time and isn't smart enough to realize that flipping off a judge that is trying to cut him a break isn't smart.

    I am pretty sure that unless we break into a chorus of support, he doesn't want to hear what we have to say.

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    Quote Quoting mcnitt
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    My question involves a traffic citation from the state of: CO

    No wonder these urban areas are so backwards and have no money. Anyone, with an IQ above 50, knows it's all about the money.
    No, it isn't about money. It is about keeping handicap spaces available for those who are authorized to use them. Most people who infringe on this and park, or temporarily stop, in handicap spots figure it is no big deal for one reason or another. And most won't budge from blocking a handicap spot if a handicapped person is looking for a place to park.

    In your case, given that it was at 5:30pm and you say there were 7 handicap spots available, I'm guessing there were at least twice that many regular spots available. You just didn't feel like parking in one of those and you got what you deserved.

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    Default Re: Can City Police Issue Tickets on Federal Property

    In response to your deleted comment,McNitt, the county reference was applicable as these are examples of concurrent jurisdiction just as your federal situation would be. If the USPS wanted to exert jurisdiction over the facility and property they could. Apparently they have chosen not to do so. Likewise in my county, the local law enforcement agencies take crime reports that occur within USPS facilities as well.

    I used the phrase "I imagine ..." because I cannot guarantee that law enforcement in your state respond to crime reports in USPS facilities. It is a good bet that they do, but I cannot say that is the case with any certainty though there is no reason why they could not unless the USPS exerted their own jurisdiction ... which, believe me, the locals would be happy to allow them to handle.

    Next time, park in a properly marked space and avoid the handicapped spaces.

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