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    Default Cell Phone Laws Are Bogus

    According to a new study, cell phone laws and reduced use of cell phone use has had ZERO effect on the accident rate!! Despite previous claims of percentage of accidents caused by cell phones, the actual data says otherwise. It seems that just because you have a cell phone in your hand and an accident occurs, that doensn't necessarily mean there is a casue and effect relationship.

    So, according to the news article, over 184,000 cell phone tickets have been written in the past 18 months in California. This resulted in nearly 285 million dollars for the state... for NOTHING!!! As a matter of fact, the state is talking about tripling the fines for cell phone tickets AND extending the laws to bicycles!!!

    Once again, the brokest state in the union is trying to make itself healthy by digging its hands into your pockets under the guise of public safety. I have said for a long time that these laws are bogus... now I guess it is clear that they are in fact bogus. I hate this state.

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    Default Bogus Cell Phone Laws

    According to a new study, cell phone laws and reduced use of cell phone use has had ZERO effect on the accident rate!! Despite previous claims of percentage of accidents caused by cell phones, the actual data says otherwise. It seems that just because you have a cell phone in your hand and an accident occurs, that doensn't necessarily mean there is a casue and effect relationship.

    So, according to the news article, over 184,000 cell phone tickets have been written in the past 18 months in California. This resulted in nearly 285 million dollars for the state... for NOTHING!!! As a matter of fact, the state is talking about tripling the fines for cell phone tickets AND extending the laws to bicycles!!!

    Once again, the brokest state in the union is trying to make itself healthy by digging its hands into your pockets under the guise of public safety. I have said for a long time that these laws are bogus... now I guess it is clear that they are in fact bogus. I hate this state.

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    According to a new study, cell phone laws and reduced use of cell phone use has had ZERO effect on the accident rate!! Despite previous claims of percentage of accidents caused by cell phones, the actual data says otherwise. It seems that just because you have a cell phone in your hand and an accident occurs, that doensn't necessarily mean there is a casue and effect relationship.

    So, according to the news article, over 184,000 cell phone tickets have been written in the past 18 months in California. This resulted in nearly 285 million dollars for the state... for NOTHING!!! As a matter of fact, the state is talking about tripling the fines for cell phone tickets AND extending the laws to bicycles!!!

    Once again, the brokest state in the union is trying to make itself healthy by digging its hands into your pockets under the guise of public safety. I have said for a long time that these laws are bogus... now I guess it is clear that they are in fact bogus. I hate this state.

    You could always move, I suppose...

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    Default Re: Cell Phone Laws Are Bogus

    Have you ever heard the saying that goes "Figures lie and liars figure"? Its pretty self explanatory.

    I highly doubt that accident investigators have amended their reporting procedures to include "Cell phone use" as part of the options that they use as (primary/secondary) collision factors. I can only guess that those factors remain to be "speeding/careless/reckless/following too close/failure to yield/DUI/DWI... etc". And until such a category is added and the data from it collected and surveyed, the study mentioned in that article is a mere guess.

    A few quotes from that article:
    Of nearly two dozen drivers contacted this week, most agree with Simitian. They see motorists on handheld phones drifting across lanes, running red lights and going much slower than the flow of traffic.
    Also...
    The recession and a drop in miles traveled are also factors
    And...
    Backers of cell phone bans insist the law that went into effect in California on July 1, 2008, has helped make driving safer, despite what the new study says. They point to the 3,487 fatalities in California in 2008, the lowest in a decade.
    And...
    "The Highway Patrol says it's helped save maybe 700 lives a year. That's no small accomplishment."
    So the question that begs to be asked is: Who collected the data for the study, where do they get if from? Most people who were involved in an accident and assuming they were using their phone, would probably deny that fact when they are questioned and the report is written.

    I'm just saying...

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    Cell phone use/texting causes 4 times more accidents per year than alchocl consumption. If you ask me, these laws aren't strict enough!

    HANG UP AND DRIVE!!!!!!

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    I agree that there isn't a mandatory causal relationship.

    I want you to do this... over the next week, everytime someone goes too slow, too fast, cuts you off or makes a weird turn... see if they are on a cell.

    Then report back.

    People that would NEVER think of propping up a book on the steering wheel think nothing of WRITING one on their cell phone.

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    People that would NEVER think of propping up a book on the steering wheel think nothing of WRITING one on their cell phone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LCmStIw9E

    WARNING: Graphic. Put down your coffee and such.

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    It does not matter, IMO, if statistics that show there is no relation to cell phone use and accidents. If a person is driving, if they wish to text/call, ect., and are charged, they need to accept the consequenses. If a person causes an accident, it is not likely they will admit that not paying attention while using a cell phone will be admitted to the police, they would have to subpeona the records if they want to.

    Im my state, Ohio, some municipalites have Ordinances with the catchphrase Full time and attention, meaning, as it implies, no person shall operate a MV without doing so.

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    Default Re: Cell Phone Laws Are Bogus

    It seems to me that people who are avid fans of the cell phone laws are basing their opinions off of emotions rather than rational thought. Even when presented with a professional, unbiased, multi-state study that says there is no relationship to cell phone use and an increased accident rate, one person here attacks the validity of the survey (as if he has anything to base that attack on) and another person tosses out a statistic with absolutely no supporting evidence that vastly contradicts the study. Other people make similar comments as well.

    A cell phone is NOT magic. There is nothing that makes a cell phone distract you more than any number of other things readily available to a driver. To say that I can talk to my passenger in my car is ok, but if I talk to him on a cell phone it becomes dangerous is simply counter-intuititve. Then, to say I can talk on a phone and be safe as long as I don't touch it (i.e. hands free) is just obnoxious. So, I don't know about the other states, but let's review some of the stupidity of CA's cell phone law:

    1. Cell phone use is legal only if it is hands free (i.e. touching it makes it illegal). By the letter of this law, I can press the phone between my cheek and my shoulder and talk all I want as it will be legal. And this is supposed to be safer???

    2. If my phone has a push-to-talk feature, it is illegal to use it while holding it in my hand. However, I can hold a CB microphone in my hand and talk on it. I guess the frequency spectrum of the device now determines its safety!!!

    3. For the grand finale'.... if I talk on a cell in my car, that is dangerous and illegal. But if I have 50 kids who are unrestrained by seatbelts in the back of a schoolbus, then it is safe AND LEGAL!!!

    To say cell phone use causes accidents simply because people in accidents happened to be talking on a phone is no different than saying that red shirts are dangerous if people who had accidents happened to be wearing red shirts. So, are we going to ban red shirts while driving? In CA...maybe. The truth is that there is public anamosity over cell phones is because the public typically is hungry for a scapegoat of convenience rather than address problems rationally. The comments in this thread demonstrate just that. And, politicians being politicians, recognize that they can write a bogus law that will increase the revenue stream and the overall public will support it... then they jump right on that!!!

    People need to wake up. Cell phone laws do NOT increase traffic safety. They only increase State revenue. These laws are a tax... that's all. You are being taxed without even realizing it because the state is preying on your own predudices and emotions. This condition is shameful for both sides. As a nation, we like to claim that we are frustrated with government growing to large, but then we feed that animal with acceptance of stupid laws like this. We should be ashamed.

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    You could always move, I suppose...
    worthless post...

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    So the question that begs to be asked is: Who collected the data for the study, where do they get if from? Most people who were involved in an accident and assuming they were using their phone, would probably deny that fact when they are questioned and the report is written.

    I'm just saying...
    Well... if you can't accept the professionalism and honesty of a group such as the one who conducted this study, then that begs the question: do you doubt all scientific data or just those which you philisophically disagree with?

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    Cell phone use/texting causes 4 times more accidents per year than alchocl consumption. If you ask me, these laws aren't strict enough!

    HANG UP AND DRIVE!!!!!!
    This is based on absolutely NOTHING.

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    I want you to do this... over the next week, everytime someone goes too slow, too fast, cuts you off or makes a weird turn... see if they are on a cell.

    Then report back.
    Is this very unscientific survey really supposed to contradict the scientific study in the article?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LCmStIw9E

    WARNING: Graphic. Put down your coffee and such.
    Most people have seen this video. It is merely propoganda to keep the flow of "tax money" going. Scare the people into supporting the law and turning over their dollars to the State!!

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    It does not matter, IMO, if statistics that show there is no relation to cell phone use and accidents. If a person is driving, if they wish to text/call, ect., and are charged, they need to accept the consequenses.
    At least this poster is honest. He admits that he doesn't care if there is any real basis for the law or not, rather people should just shut up and pay. I guess to people like this, we are not a nation that is self-governed, rather we are merely the working class who's responsibility is to yield to the whims of the ruling class.

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    Default Re: Cell Phone Laws Are Bogus

    Yes, Norma Rae....

    You are correct. allow people to take their eyes off the road for any reason. Let's put in TV's..... allow naps.

    After all, it is all just our right to do what we want whenever we want.

    And, as long as you are the only one on YOUR road, I don't have a problem with that.

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