Refugee Status

[rppearso]

Have you actually READ the definition of who qualifies for refugee status?

No but I did read the link above and there is pretty much no way around it unless the cp can not locate you AND you are in a non cooperative nation. Thats the way it is and if you are in a card board box your in a card board box with no real safety net, and death is the only way out. Of course if you are in a card board box long enough you will be arrested so there is no chance of dieing from the elements unfortunatly, im not sure what the prison term is for non payment but when you get out you would be a felon so you would likely go back to a box, hopefully our father would take you home before the authorities could get to you a second time.

[cbg]

Well, here you go, pal:

Under the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, a refugee is a person who, owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail him/herself of the protection of that country.[1]

The concept of a refugee was expanded by the Convention's 1967 Protocol and by regional conventions in Africa and Latin America to include persons who had fled war or other violence in their home country.

Don't see anything in that definition allowing refugee status to anyone who has failed to make their child support payments and has reliquished their citizenship as a result, regardless of how many violins are playing or how many cardboard boxes in the snow are being used for shelter.

[rppearso]

Well, here you go, pal:

Under the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, a refugee is a person who, owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail him/herself of the protection of that country.[1]

The concept of a refugee was expanded by the Convention's 1967 Protocol and by regional conventions in Africa and Latin America to include persons who had fled war or other violence in their home country.

Don't see anything in that definition allowing refugee status to anyone who has failed to make their child support payments and has reliquished their citizenship as a result, regardless of how many violins are playing or how many cardboard boxes in the snow are being used for shelter.

It sounds like you are correct, however death is still a way out.

[cbg]

So now you're threatening suicide?

You've come to the wrong place if you're looking for sympathy, pal. That's a coward's approach. If the support order is that arduous, go to court and get it reduced. But don't expect any sympathy for someone who cares so little about his children that he'd pull either the refugee or the suicide routine.

[rppearso]

So now you're threatening suicide?

You've come to the wrong place if you're looking for sympathy, pal. That's a coward's approach. If the support order is that arduous, go to court and get it reduced. But don't expect any sympathy for someone who cares so little about his children that he'd pull either the refugee or the suicide routine.

Its not about sympathy its about options. And im not talking about suicide, when you are homeless the elements will eventually kill you, no suicide nessicary. If they dont kill you the first time around they for sure will the second time around when you are a felon and have no hope of employment that will be substantial enough to put a roof over your head, also what is the point of even looking for work at that point if your quality of life is that bad, even if you could get a roof over your head it would be sub par at best why not just let nature take its course.

[cbg]

Suicide by weather.

If you can't see the obvious point of looking for a job in those situations, I'm not going to waste any time pointing it out to you. Besides, in another post you indicated that he DID have a job, just not in his field.

If you're going to try to milk the sympathy vote, you should at least keep your story straight.

[rppearso]

Suicide by weather.

If you can't see the obvious point of looking for a job in those situations, I'm not going to waste any time pointing it out to you. Besides, in another post you indicated that he DID have a job, just not in his field.

If you're going to try to milk the sympathy vote, you should at least keep your story straight.

Yes he does have a job but who knows how long it will last. Im sorry people that are in dire straights are not worthy of your time, thats a personal choice that you have to make, that is part of the wickedness that is now a large part of our nation, men are scum and women are victems and its all for the poor children, and the facts are irrelavant. The fact that you are badgering me when a friend of mines situation has denigarted to near homelessness says alot about what this nation and its people are becomming. Its one thing for a father that is doing well and dodging a few hundred bucks in support and a completely other thing for a father that is having so much garnished he cant afford to live (or even pay all of his bills and have some money to put in savings for a rainy day), many could care less about this distinction and that is where the wickedness lies, because hey we can play the poor kid card and throw logic completely out the window. Maybe divorce should just outright legally not be allowed for ANY reason that would really be in the best interest of the child and if there is life theatening physical abuse (im not talking about a slap or a shove either, thoes types of things cause the over hyped domestic violence stats) going on then press charges and have him or her thrown in jail.

Maybe child support is not the issue at all maybe this nation allows WAY to many divorces where minor children are involved, I think its funny that someone will post immediatly after this about the poor woman who was stabed or had her teeth kicked in when this is already illegal and will land him in jail and also is a very small minority of divorce cases. This nation could curve like 90% of divorces and that would really be in the best interests of minor children. Also marriage would be made automatic if you made a kid with someone, maybe not religiously but socially and legally you would be with that person. That would aliviate alot of the social ills we have now.

[cbg]

My disdain is for those who are too cowardly to face up to their responsibilities and instead are taking such extreme measures as relinquishing their citizenship to avoid them. Unlike your "friend", my concern is for his children, whose father is willing to go to such lengths to avoid caring for them. Who is supposed to do it if not their parents? Do you expect them to go out and get jobs themselves? We did away with that in the Victorian age.

If he'd made payments when they were due, he wouldn't be getting garnishments. If the payments were too much, he had the option of going to court and getting them reduced. My husband and I worked four and at some points five jobs between us but his child support got paid. If one job isn't enough, get another. But quit expecting other people to shell out for you.

[rppearso]

My disdain is for those who are too cowardly to face up to their responsibilities and instead are taking such extreme measures as relinquishing their citizenship to avoid them. Unlike your "friend", my concern is for his children, whose father is willing to go to such lengths to avoid caring for them. Who is supposed to do it if not their parents? Do you expect them to go out and get jobs themselves? We did away with that in the Victorian age.

If he'd made payments when they were due, he wouldn't be getting garnishments. If the payments were too much, he had the option of going to court and getting them reduced. My husband and I worked four and at some points five jobs between us but his child support got paid. If one job isn't enough, get another. But quit expecting other people to shell out for you.

Even though thats exactly what cp expect, to shell out even when the amounts are clearly outside of costs of the child and amount to adult support. Working 5 jobs in most cases is extremely inpractical as you would have all kinds of scheduling conflicts with different employers. Even if you could manage the schedule for 5 jobs it would eventually cause medical problems from the stress and sleep deprivation but thats life and if your life consists of working 5 jobs maybe death would be welcomed, not suicidal but just waiting for the enevitable, because I gaurentee you your body will not tolerate that. The fact that you dont see how crazy that is shows the problems with this nation. If I were in that situation I would shut down mentally and my will to live would be very little, God would have to bail me out otherwise I dont think I would be motivated to do what you did, I have certian financial goals in life and just working to work is not something I could accept, thats just a difference in phyilosphy but one should not be jailed for that so long as you are making some sort of attempt to pay. Life is not about working 5 jobs to barely make the bills and pay someone elses extortion money, if you dont have a few nice things in life to enjoy whats the point? I dont understand how our entire society can be ok with this, children or no children if you cant even enjoy your life then whats the point. No where in any biblical teaching or societys before us have adults had to slave for kids, provide for is one thing but they are not the end all be all of life. Priority should be God -> spouse -> then kids, if kids are disrupting the balance between the first 2 then there is a problem.

[cbg]

I said five jobs between us, not one person doing five jobs. Learn to read, why don't you?