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    Default Re: Charged With Something I Didn't Do

    The whole holding cell thing IS irrelevant to the case but relevant to let you know just who these guys are....they are just regular people who chose the profession to be an officer...they are not the iconic,pure,law bringers that they are made out to be....some are no doubt....but my main concern is with exactly that their are 3(citizens) against 4(officers) people are going to lean to the officers side if all that happens in court is some he said , she said.But i thought they couldnt prosecute without physical evidence....I need something concrete and if i could get me and my witnesses to polygraph i think thats all ill need or maybe even the officers....but im highly doubtful they will agree to it...I call my lawyer once a day and leave a message i can NEVER contact him and pre-trial is on the 23rd of this month....and even if and only IF i had bit a cop for no apparent reason Im pretty sure their job is to only subdue the suspect and not beat his face into the ground and taze him after he is laying face first on the ground cuffed and not moving OR making any noise....there is ABSOLUTELY no way to justify that....

    EDIT:also for the whole more than im letting on i had already previously stated i do not have a good criminal record with assault charge on an off duty cop on it and all that plus the bench warrant. id thought about this may be the reason (still dosent justify what they did) that they did this.BUT they didnt have a positive id on me until about 5 hours after the incident.Also saying that we were never tested for intoxication (more than likely because we didnt appear intoxicated) i dont think they can use that against us.Thats why i keep begging for my paper work from my lawyer I need to see what their "claims" are and everything inside the discovery packet, police report, and investigative report myself.

    And i should add this before i get bashed for this too..but the assault on the off duty cop ended up getting dropped as it was in self defense.

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    I am going to be blunt:

    Again, polygraph is not going to do you any good.

    Sure, cops are not supermen, but what they are is more objective and believable than a car load of drunks.

    Since you are offering to get a dental mold means that at least one of the cops had bite marks. That is gonna hurt you. The police do not need physical evidence (or else how could anyone ever be pulled over for speeding, or arrested for assault?) but I wold say that officers with documented injuries and their testimony is gonna hurt you.

    As to whether or not the force they used in arresting you was proper, again- that does not mean a thing in your criminal trial. If you battered a LEO, you battered a LEO; them tazing you or hitting you does not absolve you of that.

    IIRC: they cannot use the assaulting a LEO charge against you, unless you testify. Them MAY be able to do so then, to attack your credibility. You need to stop attacking cops, because you are going to pay dearly for it one day.

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    The whole problem is I didnt "attack" anyone.Period. And that other offense was just some asshole lookin for a fight and thought he could get away with it because he was a LEO.Also, when i think of Defining drunks I think someone who does not stop before they are too wasted to talk,stand,or remember what happened the night before.I was just out for a night with some old friends and had a few beers and played cards....I havent done a thing wrong but to get anyone to believe me is close to Impossible.This is my dilemma.That is why I am here for legal advice...not to be battered some more.Trust me ive heard enough of it already.My lawyer even said himself he knows I didnt do it...and "felt sick to his stomach when he seen my booking picture" It seems I was at the wrong place at the wrong time and it could have happened to anyone coming around that dark corner of the neighborhood....a Victim of chance perhaps?But what I really need is something helpful.Some leverage if you will.I can probably swear up and down and no one would believe me...But lets at least pretend you do.How would I go about proving I was wronged.Im trying to contact the ACLU...The three of us have written complaints..As for the actual bite marks im not sure if they were even recorded I believe that to be a claim.But i will not know unless i get my discovery packet from my lawyer ASAP.Also the ex-detroit Officer aforementioned I got in contact with and he is setting me up with UCC and a tribunal card.He claims it will help my case alot.As an ex-officer he has seen alot of wrong doings this is actually why he quit the force....its detroit/slum city.And he is a hell of a good guy to help a complete stranger with my case free of charge(ive even offered him money)but karma comes in more ways than currency I wish the best for his family for the help.I am not a bad guy by all means I am a family man who works 2 jobs and supports a family of 4.Not that this means anything in court BUT it maybe will give you some insight that i HAVE changed my life around from when i was an ignorant adolescent.Into a hard-working family man.Of course your gona question why i was out on that day and the answer is simple..(it was my first day off in months and I wanted to catch up with some old friends for a relaxing night of Hold'em)Again the only reason i am tellin you this is because your obviously got my old persona mixed with my new..And again I still dont see why a polygraph would not hold up in court?Yes,the plea bargain for pleading guilty is a good deal and I would be crazy not to take it if i HAD in fact did what allegations are being pressed on me.But it feels so wrong to admit to somthing I did not do....Maybe i should just take the plea bargain But then again in my heart i know its wrong.I want to fight it.I want to see justice.We do not need people like this as are LEO's...and its not only for my own saftey its for others also.I mean if this is what they are doing to innocent civilians (like myself) whos to say they wont keep doing it.Or worse get me again driving to work at night by myself next time.With that on my record it would be case closed.

    Again Sorry so long but i am literally pouring my heart out...

    Edit:Also did I not say I had a Designated Driver...not a DUI driver,also in my research even if i had "bit" one of them look up "resisting unlawful arrest" it would actually justify me defending my self if I am suspected I am being a victim of police brutality all the way from assault on a LEO to shooting one.but im not sure if i can plea guilty and throw that in as a defense?
    Also if i plea guilty to the assault will i still be able to press a lawsuit for the misconduct or not?One more thing that really struck my interest was that for it to be a Felony assault wouldnt it have to of sent them to the hospital?And on a side not their IS a possibility that my teeth marks could have been on either the one officers knee from his contact to my mouth,or the cop that literally kneeled down and punched me in my face...to where either of these locations of my teeth would be suspect as to their locations....saying it was possible that when their "blunt force" hit me in my face my mouth would have clamped shut...Thats the only way i can see my teeth marks being on their person.And another Fact that was a need to know that i forgot to add was it was simply 8 seconds roughly between the stripping me of the car knee to the mouth,thrown on the ground,and cuffed.Now in that time frame how could it have been possible for me to retaliate...especially saying i was unbeknown to what was to come as i was scooting to their side of the car hands in the air...I figured it was going to be a routine stop...check if i was of age(if they could even tell alcohol had been in my system) search the car and be done and on are way.

    Im sorry but more and more comes to mind as i think about this and i figured every detail I present to you and the others on this forum.The more you all will be able to understand Myself,Are Law Enforcement,and the case in general.I have many questions and am unable to ask my Lawyer for the fact he is unable to contact otherwise i would be presenting these questions to him and not be so bothersome on your forums...By the way i would like to know if the people here actually have went to law school,are currently lawyers,or are just some people with basic knowledge and opinions.

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    Again, nothing in your post means anything to this case. The court doesn't care that you claim you have changed, doesn't care that the booking photo looked bad, and the court doesn't care that your attorney "knows you didn't do it." The court doesn't care what you think the definition of a drunk is.

    All that matters is what the prosecutor can convince the jury. The facts are pretty clear: you resisted arrest with force. The arrest was lawful. You had a warrant, you refused a lawful command.

    Your own testimony is going to be attacked, as is the testimony of your friends. You were intoxicated. Period. Whether you believe you were or not, your opinion doesn't matter.

    Don't like what you are hearing? I will refund every cent you have paid for my time- which comes to-

    nothing. Go talk to the lawyer you are paying. He has to be nice to you, he is your employee.

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    My god man.I didnt say about any of the ive changed,about my attorney knowing i didnt do it,or the definition of a drunk being brought up in court.
    That was and I quote "to help you understand me,are Local PD,and my situation" for further understanding.Im not stupid enough to believe that has any relevance to my case in a court of law.

    The Booking picture CAN be used as leverage as it is the only physical evidence I have besides my witnesses and my own testimony.Yes i was intoxicated (legally so) I DID not not resist with force as I had already previously explained i did not resist at all. It would have been impossible for me to do so...and for the arrest being lawful it actually wasnt....Because,They didnt identify me.Therefore they did not know i had a warrant. They just ripped me out the car and began beating.Which again is unlawful.Not reading mirandas (meh thats just a myth) they dont really need to.And AGAIN(HOW MANY TIMES MUST I STATE THIS)I absolutely , and Positively DID NOT refuse a lawful command I followed their every request with complete compliance and respect.Even as i was intoxicated they might not have that on their reports therefore they can not bring that to court.My lawyer is not CONTACTABLE for the last time....That is why i am turning here for help.But every single post that you have made thus far has helped very little(but I am grateful for the little advice I received from you). I dont blame you for believing them over me as will everyone else.Also dont forget i had an Unitoxicated witness also....Dont get me wrong I appreciate the little advice and help you have offered but your help does not compare to the constant siding with the LEO's and I am begging to suspect you just may be an LEO....Because of course your going to protect your own kind. But I am still going to have to reiterate, apparently, that I was compliant,respectful,did not attack anyone at all,was not breaking not one law,and was not identified before the attack therefore not making the arrest lawful in anyway shape or form.Saying they did not have a positive identity on me and did not know who I was or about my bench warrant for (violation of probation and no not because of a failed drug test but because my lack of funds....)Like I have already said please try to understand that their are infact "crooked" LEO's and I happened to be a victim of police brutality and now am being accused of something I did not do.I know its hard for you or anyone else to believe...especially saying im sure youve heard it a thousand times on these forums.But my case is the real deal and I need real help.If you can not offer me any help and or advice and choose to believe them over me that is fine.But, if that is the case please stop posting in this thread for I am seeking just that, Advice and help.How to prove my innocence,What possibilities i have that may help , where or who i can go to for further help.And most of all to prove my innocence...

    On a side Note:If their is anyone out their a little more open minded to as what goes on in the "real world",the questions in my previous post were never answered...these answers are crucial to the way I approach this...My days are numbered.My pre-trial is in 16 days to be exact. So some advice/answers/and help would be greatly appreciated.Thank you.

    EDIT:
    divemedic : I have reviewed your posts and you seem to like bashing people aside from myself instead of offering help 8 times out of 10......not a very inspiriting person are you?

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    actually, most of divemedics bashing was when he and I butted heads. While his style is not always what I like to see, when he posts, he is generally correct. If you need somebody to be nice and give you warm fuzzies, you would go to oprahs website. While you may not like it, the law can be very cold and it does you no good to have people give you answers just to make you feel good. You want facts and advice? Sometimes the cold truth is the best way to serve it.


    So, there is not really anything I can add other than you got an attorney for $1k?

    I do not know an attorney that will take a misdemeanor case for that let alone the several felonies you are most likely facing.

    Something doesn't sound right with the entire situation and although I do not trust a lot of cops, this situation, as you write it, just does not sound kosher.

    I do see you did change your story here from "I was not drunk" to "I was legally intoxicated". Since you have problems with the facts here, all I can suggest is have faith in your attorney or get another one. Changing the story does not do well for you here or in court.

    and if we are contactable, your attorney is contactable. He has a phone and most likely a website. Phone calls and emails will serve you well.

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    Your own posts is where I get my information. You yourself said that you wanted to do a dental impression. Maybe you don't know what the means, but what it means to me is that they take an impression of your bite, and compare it to bite marks on the cop. In order to do that, the cop must have a bite mark on him, so that they have a reference to compare to your bite impression.

    That means the cop was injured by SOMEONE. Are you insinuating that the cops bit each other to frame you? That is going to be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to prove.

    By your own admission, from your previous posts: (this is what the jury will hear)

    i was out for a FEW bud lights 6 in 6 hours to be exact including 2 shots so by all means i wasnt drunk....
    at least 8 drinks in 6 hours. Depending on your metabolism, you could have been drunk.

    You said:
    well i never got my wedding ring sized so it fell off and i went lookin for it ...the officers approach the car and tells everyone hands up opens the backseat drivers door...and tells me "GET OUT!" only words i say to the officer is "yes sir" and start nudging my way over to the door...The whole car ride their i keep askin whyd yall beat me up? I was just lookin for my wedding ring!"
    So which is it, did you comply immediately, or were your hands not visible, while you looked for your ring?

    Also, you then go on to say:

    Also did I not say I had a Designated Driver...not a DUI driver,also in my research even if i had "bit" one of them look up "resisting unlawful arrest" it would actually justify me defending my self if I am suspected I am being a victim of police brutality all the way from assault on a LEO to shooting one.but im not sure if i can plea guilty and throw that in as a defense?
    That seems to me that we are not getting the whole story. If you hit an officer, expect to be charged. If it is your contention that you were resisting an unlawful arrest, what makes you feel it was unlawful?

    I am not a LEO, but I am a BS detector. I am a rescue diver, paramedic, firefighter, and I also teach classes and consult businesses in subjects related to those fields. I spend my entire career listening to people's stories and explainations, and I know a tall tale when I hear one, and your story has holes that I could throw a heroin addict through. (Note my screen name) If I heard this as a juror, I would not believe you. I testify in court a lot, and I sometimes give classes in that field. I have been in this career for over 20 years. I have seen my share of court cases, both civil and criminal.

    Think about that for a minute...

    I have not even heard the prosecution's story, and I am already doubting you. You can think I am being rude or mean all you want, but put yourself in the jury's place. Remember that felons cannot be on a jury, and by and large, the majority of people who actually show up for jury duty are retired persons and government employees, as they are the only ones who can afford to miss time from work.

    I am not being mean, but I am direct. Some people don't like that, because I don't always tell people what they want to hear. One thing is, I do not lie, and I do not give people false optimism. It is what it is. I am like this in my career as well. If you are going to lose a leg from the accident you were in, I will tell you. With me, you know exactly where you stand.

    I do not like or dislike you, as I do not even know you. I am just telling you what I see.

    ETA: I did not bash you, nopr have I been rude. I have just been blunt. I am not a ra-ra cheerleader, nor am I the glee club. Again, it is what it is.

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