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    Default Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: New York

    Well, I was driving on Grand St. directly behind a tourist bus and made a right turn from Grand St. onto Bowery St and was immediately pulled over by a stopped NYPD Traffic vehicle and issued 2 tickets!!! 1110A and 1111A2 (or something like that). Both said "disobeying green arrow sign", and she explained that one was for disobeying the steady straight green arrow (which prohibits you from turning) and the other one for disobeying the "no turn" sign.

    But, here is the thing. Both the "no turn" sign and the "green arrow" were recently added on. It used to be just a steady green light and without the "no turn" sign posted because I, and many other drivers used to turn there all the time. It was a very crowded intersection with lots of pedestrian so I guess that's why they put up these new rules. However, I have been away from the city for the past 3 months so I did not realize that these new rules and signs were there. In addition, the bus that was right in front of me was blocking the "no turn" sign so there was no way to see the sign. To make the situation even worse, it was 9:23AM in the morning and there weren't many pedestrians soI made a smooth turn. During the normal time of the day there would be a lot of pedestrians and I would have to stop to yield for the pedestrians and would definitely see the sign. (The "no turn" sign was not posted under or near the traffic light as they usually are, instead it was posted in a pole under the "manhattan bridge" sign on the right hand side sidewalk which was blocked off by the bus).

    As for the green arrow, it wasn't there a while ago so when the bus moved I moved without taking a careful look at the sign but did realize that it was green. (We were both stopped by the red light in the intersection; the bus was the first on line and I was second, so when the bus moved I took a quick glance at the light and made the turn, not knowing the straight green arrow and not seeing the "no turn" sign.)

    As soon as I made the turn I was pulled away by an NYPD officer with her car parked on the curb and already issuing tickets. It took her at least 15 minutes to write me my tickets because there was a line!!! Right after me she pulled away at least 4 more vehicles and they formed a line behind my vehicle (some got away because she couldn't get em all, and some that made a "left turn" also got away). So, every two cycle of stop lights or so there was someone that got pulled over this morning between Grand St. and Bowery St.

    Apparently she was there all morning to issue tickets, and everybody got 2 tickets!!! One for the green arrow and one for the no turn sign, which is essentially telling the same thing. My question is, if I go back and purposely follow another bus and take pictures of the bus blocking the signs and mentioning that this is a new rules and we didn't didn't notice it or have enough time to notice it while we're turning, is it possible to fight it off? If not, can I at least get it down to one ticket instead of 2? It's 3 pts for each so would be 6 pts for one single violation. Apparently this officer isn't ethical at all!

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

    Your objection to the ticket is that the arrow and sign, although visible and properly placed, are new? And you didn't notice the change? That's not an excuse for violation, but you may have some luck with the "throw yourself on the mercy of the court" approach....

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

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    Apparently this officer isn't ethical at all!
    Apparently, your definition of "ethics" is dependent upon how much of an effect it has on your pocket book!

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    Your objection to the ticket is that the arrow and sign, although visible and properly placed, are new? And you didn't notice the change? That's not an excuse for violation, but you may have some luck with the "throw yourself on the mercy of the court" approach....
    The sign is not visible when you're right after a bus or a truck. I also forgot to mention that there is construction going on at the site and a construction sign is blocking 1/3 of the "no turn" sign (when you're in the middle of the block) as well.

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    Apparently, your definition of "ethics" is dependent upon how much of an effect it has on your pocket book!
    Hello??? It's a moving violation which means points on your driving record! That would be 6 points for a single violation and much much higher insurance cost. That would be an equivalent of giving you two tickets for going 20 over the speed limit, one for the fact that you're 20 over, and another for the fact that given you're 20 over, you're also 10 over. I mean, I know sometimes they have to do what they have to do, but do they "have" to give you 2 tickets in this case? It's apparently her choice to give you 2. Apparently she just wanted to screw as many people as possible.

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

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    It's apparently her choice to give you 2.
    And that makes her unethical?

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

    The same thing happened to me yesterday. However i only did get one ticket.
    I have family that lives in the area and whenever i visit i make that turn.
    Yesterday is the first time i made that turn in a while. I did not have any trucks blocking me, however i didnt pay attention because i wasnt expecting a sign.
    The cab infront of me made that turn and I turned too. As soon as we both turned we were pulled over. There were 3 cop cars there pulling over cars.
    There were 4 cars pulled over and when i finally left there were more.

    Does anybody think i can plead not guilty and claim that the reason i feel im not guilty is A)I wasnt familiar with the sign. Every time I have made that turn in the past, there was no sign and i wasn't expecting it so i did not pay attn. It wasnt even under the traffic signal..B)The whole purpose of traffic signs is to prevent something. If the cops really wanted to prevent whatever it is the sign is there for, and they were already hanging out at that corner, shouldnt they have prevented the turn by standing there and pointing to the sign as opposed to waiting for the turn to happen and then give a ticket.
    If so to speak the sign is there to prevent accidents, and the cops only ticket me after i made the turn and could have gotten in the accident-than there is no purpose for the sign.

    I just found a link. This new sign was put up to prevent accidents on seniors and other pedestrians. Because the cops only ticketed me after i made the turn-they are technically saying-go ahead and kill a senior as long as i get to ticket you and fill my quota-.
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/download..._CB3_09_08.pdf


    please let me know your thoughts.
    Thanks

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    Does anybody think i can plead not guilty and claim that the reason i feel im not guilty is A)I wasnt familiar with the sign. Every time I have made that turn in the past, there was no sign and i wasn't expecting it so i did not pay attn. It wasnt even under the traffic signal..B)
    Thanks
    Ignorance to the laws is no excuse neither is NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

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    shouldnt they have prevented the turn by standing there and pointing to the sign as opposed to waiting for the turn to happen and then give a ticket.
    So YOU want to PAY a cop to stand there and point at a sign???
    It would be a whole lot cheaper to pay the ticket. At least you only got one, unlike the orginal poster, who got two for the same violation.

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

    Same story happened to me (and many other) in the same place. Signs are not quite visible. I got a ticket 1111A2

    1) What does it exactly mean?
    2) How much?
    3) I will try to make a picture and fight it in court, how big is a chance to win this case? It's my first ticket. How sth like that look like?
    4) I tried to use https://harmonia.dmv.state.ny.us/pleadnpay/ to plead not guilty but it does not find me after 2 days of occurrence. Do you think it is worth of going into court?
    5) My license is from NJ, how it will be affected in terms of points?

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    Quote Quoting mke
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    Same story happened to me (and many other) in the same place. Signs are not quite visible. I got a ticket 1111A2

    1) What does it exactly mean?
    2) How much?
    3) I will try to make a picture and fight it in court, how big is a chance to win this case? It's my first ticket. How sth like that look like?
    4) I tried to use https://harmonia.dmv.state.ny.us/pleadnpay/ to plead not guilty but it does not find me after 2 days of occurrence. Do you think it is worth of going into court?
    5) My license is from NJ, how it will be affected in terms of points?
    Start your own thread!

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    Default Re: Got 2 Tickets for Disobeying Traffic Control Device in Manhattan, New York

    So what happened because i just got the ticket for that as well. Please answer

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