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    Default Re: Demeaning Parole Agent

    Taken from: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?s...3&archive=true

    "We were seeing a lot of cases of our veterans in Illinois … were getting in trouble with the law — a lot of DUIs and a lot of domestic abuse," she said. "We were getting calls from the state police, you know the local sheriffs saying, ‘Hey, we got another one or yours, let’s take care of him before he gets into too much trouble.’ "

    This is the attitude I hoped to see and to promote, and to see it implemented as a valid approach at least some where. Not the attitudes I'm reading here. Reading the responses here it seems misscharacterizing and confusing issues is the order of the day.

    My question has been answered, and thank everyone for their feedback.

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    Of course, you will note that the response was asking them to take care of the problem before the veteran in trouble got in to TOO MUCH trouble. This implies that these folks was not given a free pass, but were directed to services - likely in addition to any criminal penalties, or with the threat of such penalties hanging over them (much the same opportunity as I presume your family member once had). This same thing happens out here - I see it with some frequency. The problem is, far too often - as Ashman pointed out - the veteran fails to follow through or seek out assistance.

    The state can NOT just grab the veterans in trouble up off the street and force them in to treatment. We have a guy here who just yesterday tried to kill himself ... he's a veteran of Iraq and may have PTSD. he hasn't gotten in to trouble with the law before, but he has had a lot of stress and numerous VA referrals. Unfortunately, he blows them off, tells family he's fine, and on the rare occasion the family would actually get him to the VA, he'd blow off the treatment or fail to attend any future meetings.

    My best friend is in Medical Services for the Army and says that one of the hardest elements of his job is convincing returning veterans to follow through with therapy or to even acknowledge they might NEED therapy. Too many try to ignore the problem or tough it out ... this is the wrong thing to do, but he has no alternative.

    The state cannot MAKE someone accept treatment. If your family member has sought the help he needs and is working towards recovery, great! I can only hope he will go forth and commit no more crimes. If he has not received the aid he needs, then hopefully his family can assist him in getting the aid. In the meantime, if he breaks the law and puts lives at risk, he will be punished accordingly.

    Good luck to him.

    - Carl

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    Thats amazing. Vets have been ignored by the VA in every instance I know of. They're made to fill out paper work to request help and when no one gets back to them, they go back and do it again, and still no one gets back to them, until, hopefully they go away.

    Here i was hoping to demonstrate how in Illinois the Sheriff department picks up the phone, calls the VA and asks for help on behalf of vets. This makes the difference in how the VA responds. I've never seen or heard of that done here in Los Angeles. And yet your saying vets must SEEK help, they do. They must carry treatment to completion. How if no help is offered?

    Whith that response I see there is nothing more to say. Let me just clarify that:

    At no time was I asking that he NOT be convicted or do jail time for his DUI.
    At no time was I validating his offenses.

    The issue was does he deserve to be treated in the class with druggies and gangsters.

    Here the answer is yes. Here the answer is cops have a right to be rude. Here the sentiment is i lost someone to a drunk or a crazy vet, so prosecute both to the fullest extent.

    If vets resist treatment on release, they should not be precluded from services at a later date.

    I've become weary of dealing with extrapolated issues on this question. It appears the sentiments on this board are clear and no one need intuit anyones feelings on this matter.

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    Quote Quoting tenantweary
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    Thats amazing. Vets have been ignored by the VA in every instance I know of. They're made to fill out paper work to request help and when no one gets back to them, they go back and do it again, and still no one gets back to them, until, hopefully they go away.
    I'm guessing you don't know of many instances then. The VA of which I'm aware goes out of its way to treat veterans including paying for them to be treated by the UW Physicians - on the governtment's nickel even. They're so understaffed that they pay for people to go to the UW for treatment, which isn't cheap.

    Here i was hoping to demonstrate how in Illinois the Sheriff department picks up the phone, calls the VA and asks for help on behalf of vets. This makes the difference in how the VA responds. I've never seen or heard of that done here in Los Angeles. And yet your saying vets must SEEK help, they do. They must carry treatment to completion. How if no help is offered?
    It does not say, however, that the people weren't prosecuted for their crimes.

    Here the answer is yes. Here the answer is cops have a right to be rude. Here the sentiment is i lost someone to a drunk or a crazy vet, so prosecute both to the fullest extent.
    It isn't just here; it's the law of the land handed down by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. They said that cops can be rude and that it doesn't violate the constitution.

    I think anyone who commits serious offenses should be severely punished, including vets, cops, fire fighters, politicians and priests.

    If vets resist treatment on release, they should not be precluded from services at a later date.
    As a rule, they aren't. There are specific cases in which this happens because the program the veteran walked out on is so hard to get into that the waiting list for it can be lengthy.

    Unfortunately, the VA has finite resources and limited time. But that's a policy and finance issue you should take up with your congressional folks through their offices. If there's a public outcry for money for a particular program (and ones servicing veterans should be at the top of the list), it'll get funded. George Washington noted that the quality of servicemen a nation can recruit depends on how well they're treated when they're veterans. But this website isn't going to change the budget cuts the Bush Administration has levied against the VA.

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    And finally an appropriate reaction by state government to deal with the condition of our troops on return from a combat zone. A response not available to troops of Desert Storm. Through networking I've realized my cousins story is sadly not unique, but very common.



    http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticl...=1202426915992

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