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    Default Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    My question involves a driver's license issued by the State of: California

    Okay, bear with me, this is complicated. Several years ago, I didn't have a driver's license, and I drove an electric scooter (which didn't require license or registration). One day I went around the corner to get something to eat, and I left the helmet at home. I got caught by a copcycle for not wearing my helmet. I got a ticket, thought a while about it, figured it wasn't worth driving myself further into debt over trying to "pay" (why do you think I was driving electric?), and shuffled it away.

    Fast forward to today. I finally got my license about a year ago. I had nowhere to stay so I was sleeping in my car. I had no income and desperately trying to change that. I applied at pizza delivery places. One of them required a current copy of my driving record. Well, I had my laptop, a printer, and a scanner with me in the car (*geek*), so I went down to DMV to get a copy of my record. That was when I found that my license had been suspended for the past couple days (great timing). Confused, since it had been so long, I'm convinced there's some keys that slipped up on someone else's suspension. Long story short, here, I find it's because of that ticket on the scooter.

    I go to traffic court and talk with a judge, and I get everything taken care of by just throwing money at the problem (I had a small backup fund). Went to DMV and paid them to have my license "turned back on". Everything was well and good. I got a job at one of the pizza places, they didn't require a current printout. I worked there for 6 months. But at the end of those 6 months, or when my background check expired, they re-ran it and told me I couldn't work there anymore. Confused once again by the breakdown of communication, it takes another week or so to get a definitive word from the people above as to why I couldn't work.

    I couldn't work there anymore because of that PAST suspension on my record. A suspension that should never have occurred, because I never received *any* information about the ridiculous ticket, and I took care of it as soon as I knew it was there. So I continue on about my life, sore about this ridiculous suspension. Now, today, I went to an interview for my "dream job", a job I'm fully qualified for, and would be fulfilled in life doing. Halfway through the interview I'm interrupted after going over the reason for losing my pizza delivery job, and am told I can't have that position for the same reason - they need me to drive a company car and I can't have that suspension on my record.

    Now I'm fuming. I am bound and determined to get that off my record any way I can. It should never have been there and is keeping me from getting a job I'm fully qualified for. What can be done about this? Where do I start? I'm not giving up on this until I've beaten DMV to the ground for ruining my life...

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    You did receive information about the "ridiculous ticket". You received it, 'shuffled it away' and chose to ignore it. As you've learned, that wasn't a wise choice.

    The DMV didn't "ruin your life", you did. If anything, take responsibility of what you did, or in this case, didn't do! If you ignore a citation, you risk losing your license, as you did. You have no one to blame but yourself.

    Oh, and traffic violations cannot be expunged so this will remain on your record.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    My opinions are just that.
    And I'm hoping yours will just happen to be "one of those people who really don't know what they're talking about". Next, please.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    You failed to appear for a traffic citation. Your license can be suspended for that - and it was. You could also have received an arrest warrant for failing to appear, so be thankful that the warrant did no also happen.

    Now, WHY it took so long to get into the system, or why it was not caught before, is anyone's guess. More than likely, when you got the scooter citation you did not have a driver's license (either issued or in your possession) and the original citation was not "filed" under the license number you only just got one year ago. Finally, they cross-referenced the name, date of birth, etc. and found that you had a suspension under what is sometimes referred to as an "X reference" number - sort of a placeholder number assigned by the DMV.

    Ultimately, this problem was created by your failing to act on the previous citation.

    Sorry.

    - Carl

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    Okay, I seem to have not mentioned that very clearly. No, I didn't have a license. No, I didn't take care of the ticket because there was nothing to take care of, no instructions, no information. I never got anything in the mail or on the phone telling me what or where. And it was a worthless ticket for "not wearing a helmet", a widely disputed "law" that is practically pure bull anyway. So it's a ticket I should never have gotten, that resulted in a suspension on a premise that should never have occurred, that resulted in something on my record that never should have occurred.

    The fact of the matter is, this garbage is keeping me FROM GETTING A JOB, and the sheer obscenity of the whole situation should be glaringly obvious to anyone with a functioning neural mass in their head. It's like being locked up for sneezing in a movie theatre, without bail. A totally ridiculous and purely excusable thing you did, resulting in unending misery for you, years after you "learned your lesson". What kind of justice is that?

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    No, I didn't have a license.
    Hence the reason you were likely assigned what is called an "X reference" number. It is essentially a DL number with an X in front of it (instead of a "D", "A" or whatever yours is now).

    No, I didn't take care of the ticket because there was nothing to take care of, no instructions, no information. I never got anything in the mail or on the phone telling me what or where.
    What about the court date that was ON the ticket. You are required to show up for that.

    If you were ticketed into juvenile court and were never notified, then you might have an argument against the suspension.

    And it was a worthless ticket for "not wearing a helmet", a widely disputed "law" that is practically pure bull anyway.
    Was it a motorized scooter or a push scooter? Either way, the law is clear - and WAS clear even 6 or 7 years ago. Who is (or was) disputing it? Whether you agreed with it is not a legal defense.

    So it's a ticket I should never have gotten, that resulted in a suspension on a premise that should never have occurred, that resulted in something on my record that never should have occurred.
    You rode a scooter without a helmet in violation of the CVC, apparently ... how is that something that should not have occurred???

    The fact of the matter is, this garbage is keeping me FROM GETTING A JOB, and the sheer obscenity of the whole situation should be glaringly obvious to anyone with a functioning neural mass in their head.
    You're right ... and when yours is up and functioning, you can kick yourself in your neural mass for "shuffling away" that citation so many years ago.

    And it is not keeping you from getting A job, it is keeping you from getting THAT job ... a pizza delivery driver job. I seriously doubt that is the only job out there.

    It's like being locked up for sneezing in a movie theatre, without bail.
    The only difference is that sneezing is not a crime.

    A totally ridiculous and purely excusable thing you did, resulting in unending misery for you, years after you "learned your lesson". What kind of justice is that?
    Don't like it, change the law. In the meantime, you need to find out a couple of things ... what was the code section you violated? What was the authority code for the suspension? (Those two could be key)

    Were you cited into Juvenile Court and told you'd be notified? Did you miss the court date on the citation? Did the court allege good service of the court date? Did the DMV allege good service of the suspension (there is a letter code after the suspension authority - if "M", then the notice was mailed).

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    You failed to appear for a traffic citation. Your license can be suspended for that - and it was. You could also have received an arrest warrant for failing to appear, so be thankful that the warrant did no also happen.

    Now, WHY it took so long to get into the system, or why it was not caught before, is anyone's guess. More than likely, when you got the scooter citation you did not have a driver's license (either issued or in your possession) and the original citation was not "filed" under the license number you only just got one year ago. Finally, they cross-referenced the name, date of birth, etc. and found that you had a suspension under what is sometimes referred to as an "X reference" number - sort of a placeholder number assigned by the DMV.

    Ultimately, this problem was created by your failing to act on the previous citation.

    Sorry.

    - Carl
    This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.

    You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.

    The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.
    This too shows a miscarriage of justice: things requiring credit reporting should be those things that were purchased on credit. But in California's schizophrenic criminal justice system, Things that shouldn't cause a suspended license do, and things that shouldn't cause a blacklisted credit report do.
    Rather than trying to find other, more appropriate means of fixing California's damaged economy, the California legislature sucks money from unsuspecting victims, such as a young person riding a scooter without a helmet.

    Rather than trying to save a scooter-riding taxpayer brain damage by making him wear a helmet, the California legislature actually inflicted very substantial damage in the form of destruction of job opportunities, a screwed up credit report, and an obscene, absurd fine, which will likely exceed $500 when the Legislature-induced nightmare ends for him.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.
    Huh?

    What has this got to do with anything?

    You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.
    Apparently, the laws of the state of CA disagree with you. I'm sorry you disagree with helmet laws.

    The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.
    You are incorrect on that. They can choose to do either ... they often do NOT issue warrants because they tend to be expensive. Ir also depends on the age of the defendant. If he was a minor at the time, then they are not likely to issue the warrant.

    - Carl

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    And I'm hoping yours will just happen to be "one of those people who really don't know what they're talking about". Next, please.
    Sorry to dash your hopes - guess I proved you wrong

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    No one likes to find out that the person that put them in such a terrible place is the same one in the mirror.

    Doesn't change anything, but it makes us all feel better if we can blame "the man".

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