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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    I really want this thread to stay on-topic, as the OP seems to have a more polished intellect than your own (heck. Even blueeagle is more polished, no offense).

    But, suppose your child, who has a 3.5 GPA and UCLA scholarship, was caught with THC or alcohol on his breath while at school. Furthermore, suppose your kid is expelled from the school, forcing you to transfer your kid to the only available school for his offense: the dreaded Downtown High School (DHS). This is the high school where there are multiple gang shootings and whatnot. It's frequently featured on Channel 5 News because of gang and drug activity.
    And it's the only school you are legally allowed to send your upright, bright kid.
    The only thing you knew about the new expulsion policy was that it was for kids at the high school who deal massive amounts of drugs such as crystal meth, bring guns to school such as semi-automatic pistols, and commit chronic truancy.
    You find out, as your kid is being police-escorted to your house, that the expulsion policy is 'zero tolerance' and can cover any kid sipping a beer or in possession of a joint.

    Are you ready to sentence your kid for the rest of his high school days to DHS without a whimper? Or are you going to write a letter to the D/A; talk to the Principal? It's gotta be one or the other.

    Yes. I would send my child to the DHS without a whimper.

    You do the crime, you do the time. My children understand that what is right is right... and what is wrong is wrong.

    You don't have to agree with the rules. You just have to obey them.

    To get back on topic. The OP had an opportunity to take care of this easily and painlessly. He choose not to do that.

    He operated under the assumption that there was nothing the state could do to him if he ignored what he thought to be a bad law.

    How is that working out?

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.
    Huh?

    What has this got to do with anything?

    You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.
    Apparently, the laws of the state of CA disagree with you. I'm sorry you disagree with helmet laws.

    The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.
    You are incorrect on that. They can choose to do either ... they often do NOT issue warrants because they tend to be expensive. Ir also depends on the age of the defendant. If he was a minor at the time, then they are not likely to issue the warrant.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    Yes. I would send my child to the DHS without a whimper.

    You do the crime, you do the time. My children understand that what is right is right... and what is wrong is wrong.

    You don't have to agree with the rules. You just have to obey them.

    To get back on topic. The OP had an opportunity to take care of this easily and painlessly. He choose not to do that.

    He operated under the assumption that there was nothing the state could do to him if he ignored what he thought to be a bad law.

    How is that working out?
    Why must you always play the coward? First, you run around this forum, saying, "Yeah, but... PMC has 3 DUI's! PMC has 3 DUI's!" to every post I make, then you play the coward again by lying about sending your kids to the high school without a whimper just to flaccidly and limply win an argument.
    Can't you get some grit? Can't you grow a pair?

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    Why must you always play the coward? First, you run around this forum, saying, "Yeah, but... PMC has 3 DUI's! PMC has 3 DUI's!" to every post I make, then you play the coward again by lying about sending your kids to the high school without a whimper just to flaccidly and limply win an argument.
    Can't you get some grit? Can't you grow a pair?
    Says that man that whines about how the man hates him because he insists on driving drunk.

    I think I can live with that.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    I am loving this topic. The voice of idiocy and "HIT ME AGAIN PLEASE" balanced out by the voice of reason.

    because he insists on driving drunk.
    You know, someone that makes a single mistake, either because they didn't know, or screwed up once, isn't exactly the poster child for the legal system's ability to put offenders away. Kinda makes you look like an ass.

    And at the rest of this thread, well, it's nice to see that there are people with balanced minds in the world... however it's unfortunate that there are people like cyjeff and cdwjava that somehow honestly believe (and, of course, there is the possibility of them just being an internet troll here) that what has happened to me is "justice", that it's actually helping someone, and that I should just live with it. I guess it helps cdwjava's confidence in doing his job as a cop... you've got to actually believe the bullcrap you're writing on those tickets, right?

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    I am loving this topic. The voice of idiocy and "HIT ME AGAIN PLEASE" balanced out by the voice of reason.
    Just because someone else buys into your whole "I shouldn't have to pay for my mistake because it is inconvenient" thing doesn't mean they are the voice of reason.

    You know, someone that makes a single mistake, either because they didn't know, or screwed up once, isn't exactly the poster child for the legal system's ability to put offenders away. Kinda makes you look like an ass.
    I can live with your opinion.

    Personally, I think someone that would ignore a minor ticket under the hopes that it would just go away is kind of an idiot.

    Aren't opinions fun?

    And at the rest of this thread, well, it's nice to see that there are people with balanced minds in the world... however it's unfortunate that there are people like cyjeff and cdwjava that somehow honestly believe (and, of course, there is the possibility of them just being an internet troll here) that what has happened to me is "justice", that it's actually helping someone, and that I should just live with it. I guess it helps cdwjava's confidence in doing his job as a cop... you've got to actually believe the bullcrap you're writing on those tickets, right?
    What you don't seem to grasp is that it doesn't matter whether Carl and I are right or not.

    All that matters is that the law says we are. If you don't like the laws, write your congressperson.

    Again, a grown man that hopes that he can hide from a traffic ticket shows a remarkably poor decision making ability. Carl needs no validation for you for the confidence in his job. He has helped scrape the brains of idiots off the curb before after they decided to drive without a helmet.

    I would think that would be enough.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    Well, in the end, whether you believe a helmet violation is worthy of a ticket or a stern finger wagging is irrelevant. Not wearing a helmet IS a cite-able offense, and not taking care of a cite has consequences as you have discovered. As has been mentioned, there may be a problem with the service of the suspension and you might be able to make an administrative appeal of that decision, but disagreeing that you should have ever been given the citation is entirely irrelevant.

    And Cyjeff does point out something that is right on, I have witnessed the brains of adults AND kids oozing onto the pavement because of no helmet (motorcycle and bicycle) and have seen numerous collisions or falls where the ONLY reason the cyclist, motorcyclist, even skateboarder has NOT been killed or seriously hurt was because of a helmet.

    If you do not like helmet laws, then start with your state Assembly person.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    Falcon:

    I suggest you go to work for yourself.

    You seem to have an aversion to authority, especially if that was your website I was just viewing, (and I bet it probably is)

    You actually did bring this on yourself, although it may take a few years before that actually sinks in for ya.

    Good luck,

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    Falcon:

    I suggest you go to work for yourself.

    You seem to have an aversion to authority, especially if that was your website I was just viewing, (and I bet it probably is)

    You actually did bring this on yourself, although it may take a few years before that actually sinks in for ya.

    Good luck,
    I don't believe FalconFour has an aversion to authority. I believe he is just now developing one due to experiencing this very flagrant miscarriage of justice, but I don't believe he has one now.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

    Please cite your legal authorities, pm. I can't wait to read them.

    OP, I know it always "feels" best when someone agrees with you, but, it isn't necessarily the legally sound answer. (as you will come to realize some day.) (I hope.)

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