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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    You failed to appear for a traffic citation. Your license can be suspended for that - and it was. You could also have received an arrest warrant for failing to appear, so be thankful that the warrant did no also happen.

    Now, WHY it took so long to get into the system, or why it was not caught before, is anyone's guess. More than likely, when you got the scooter citation you did not have a driver's license (either issued or in your possession) and the original citation was not "filed" under the license number you only just got one year ago. Finally, they cross-referenced the name, date of birth, etc. and found that you had a suspension under what is sometimes referred to as an "X reference" number - sort of a placeholder number assigned by the DMV.

    Ultimately, this problem was created by your failing to act on the previous citation.

    Sorry.

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    This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.

    You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.

    The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.
    This too shows a miscarriage of justice: things requiring credit reporting should be those things that were purchased on credit. But in California's schizophrenic criminal justice system, Things that shouldn't cause a suspended license do, and things that shouldn't cause a blacklisted credit report do.
    Rather than trying to find other, more appropriate means of fixing California's damaged economy, the California legislature sucks money from unsuspecting victims, such as a young person riding a scooter without a helmet.

    Rather than trying to save a scooter-riding taxpayer brain damage by making him wear a helmet, the California legislature actually inflicted very substantial damage in the form of destruction of job opportunities, a screwed up credit report, and an obscene, absurd fine, which will likely exceed $500 when the Legislature-induced nightmare ends for him.

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    No one likes to find out that the person that put them in such a terrible place is the same one in the mirror.

    Doesn't change anything, but it makes us all feel better if we can blame "the man".
    I contend it's not the person in the mirror that caused this debacle with the OP's inability to employ himself; the problem resides with the California state legislature for creating and implementing draconian, harmful punishments to laws--some of which most people of average common sense aren't even aware of.

    I cannot blame you for being so myopic; I can only accuse you of savagery.
    Since you're likely employed by law enforcement in some capacity, you stand to benefit whenever the state legislature comes out with another ridiculous and painfully unfair law. The instance with the OP is just one example.
    The state justice system effectively and substantially damaged this man's life and welfare, yet you do not sympathize with this miscarriage of justice. If you were to sympathize with him, you'd place your own opinion of the justice system at risk, causing you to question the social value of the union you're working for.

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    I contend it's not the person in the mirror that caused this debacle with the OP's inability to employ himself; the problem resides with the California state legislature for creating and implementing draconian, harmful punishments to laws--some of which most people of average common sense aren't even aware of.

    I cannot blame you for being so myopic; I can only accuse you of savagery.
    Since you're likely employed by law enforcement in some capacity, you stand to benefit whenever the state legislature comes out with another ridiculous and painfully unfair law. The instance with the OP is just one example.
    The state justice system effectively and substantially damaged this man's life and welfare, yet you do not sympathize with this miscarriage of justice. If you were to sympathize with him, you'd place your own opinion of the justice system at risk, causing you to question the social value of the union you're working for.
    When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.

    That is called personal responsibility.

    Yes, I know. It is far easier to say it is the government's fault that you choose to ignore a ticket or to drive while intoxicated.

    Ultimately, you are at fault. Everything else is just a rationalization.

    This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.

    You, however, appear to be a slow learner.

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    Finally, a voice of reason in this thread... and that's not directed at the writer of the following quotes.
    When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.
    You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.

    This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.
    I think your relation is slightly incorrect... there's only been one occurance (note the part where I said I've received, and taken care of, 2 minor tickets since this occurred). So this is rather like when you were a child and touched a hot stove, then your mom built a brick wall around the stove, just high enough so you can't reach the stove again until you grow up 5 more years. Which would explain why you think this is "justice".

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    You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.
    When I read ...

    I got caught by a copcycle for not wearing my helmet. I got a ticket, thought a while about it, figured it wasn't worth driving myself further into debt over trying to "pay" (why do you think I was driving electric?), and shuffled it away.
    I thought you meant you received it by mail. Regardless... it doesn't matter. You decided to ignore a ticket because it was inconvenient. Now you understand what the word inconvenient actually means.


    I think your relation is slightly incorrect... there's only been one occurance (note the part where I said I've received, and taken care of, 2 minor tickets since this occurred). So this is rather like when you were a child and touched a hot stove, then your mom built a brick wall around the stove, just high enough so you can't reach the stove again until you grow up 5 more years. Which would explain why you think this is "justice".
    Were you under the impression that the legal system would come to your house and remind you of your offense? That someone would call your home to make sure you paid your nothing fine and then make sure it took place?

    This is not the system's fault. You made a poor decision. You are now paying for it.

    Be a man and fix it. Whining about how everyone is against you only makes you look petulant.

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    When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.

    That is called personal responsibility.

    Yes, I know. It is far easier to say it is the government's fault that you choose to ignore a ticket or to drive while intoxicated.

    Ultimately, you are at fault. Everything else is just a rationalization.

    This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.

    You, however, appear to be a slow learner.
    cyjeff, you seem constitutionally incapable of grasping concepts such as justice and fairness. Suppose your child's high school/elementary school came out with the edict that any child caught skipping class with THC or alcohol on his breath will be prosecuted by the D/A and expelled from school. Draconian-sounding? You bet! Now suppose your son/daughter just happened to get caught up in that mess ("This school has seen unremitting crime and absenteeism due to our kids getting sucked into the menace of that evil demon, THC with alcohol. We need to act and act hard now, before our kids die of drug use by the time they're 18!"). What would you do? Ground him/her? Suspend an allowance? Prey tell, what would you do?

    Since your kid's future is at stake (GED is always the option, but not too many ppl entering MIT with GED's nowadays), you'd likely fight the miscarriage of justice.

    What's very sad is that the only way for this fight to take place is if it happens in your own front yard; that is, if it happens with your own son/daughter. If, for whatever reason your kid isn't using alcohol or THC, people like you would likely favor such a draconian edict at this grade school; all other parents, and all other children be damned.

    The only real way we can fight the injustices such as the gross miscarriage of justice inflicted upon the OP is to limit the scope and kind of person eligible to vote. By removing some people from the voting booths, I believe we can more efficiently and more effectively elect the better, stronger and fairer leader.

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    cyjeff, you seem constitutionally incapable of grasping concepts such as justice and fairness.
    Hardly.

    You do the crime, you do the time. What could be more fair or just?

    Suppose your child's high school/elementary school came out with the edict that any child caught skipping class with THC or alcohol on his breath will be prosecuted by the D/A and expelled from school.
    They do.

    Draconian-sounding? You bet! Now suppose your son/daughter just happened to get caught up in that mess ("This school has seen unremitting crime and absenteeism due to our kids getting sucked into the menace of that evil demon, THC with alcohol. We need to act and act hard now, before our kids die of drug use by the time they're 18!"). What would you do? Ground him/her? Suspend an allowance? Prey tell, what would you do?
    I would take away every single priviledge or benefit that the child has until the behavior stops.

    The first thing I would do is toss my child's room making sure that there wasn't anything that shouldn't be there.

    Finally, I would thank the school for identifying a problem with my child while it is still manageable. You know, like before their third DUI.

    Since your kid's future is at stake (GED is always the option, but not too many ppl entering MIT with GED's nowadays), you'd likely fight the miscarriage of justice.
    Nope... because it isn't a miscarriage of justice.

    First, every child, moron, is entitled to an education. If you are removed from the school according to district for a behavior problem, you are sent to another school for behavior challenged kids.

    Second, you most certainly can get into MIT with a GED.

    What's very sad is that the only way for this fight to take place is if it happens in your own front yard; that is, if it happens with your own son/daughter. If, for whatever reason your kid isn't using alcohol or THC, people like you would likely favor such a draconian edict at this grade school; all other parents, and all other children be damned.
    There is no fight. I agree with the suspension/expulsion.

    The only real way we can fight the injustices such as the gross miscarriage of justice inflicted upon the OP is to limit the scope and kind of person eligible to vote. By removing some people from the voting booths, I believe we can more efficiently and more effectively elect the better, stronger and fairer leader.
    The good news is that, as a felon, you can also no longer vote.

    I don't understand why this is hard for you. If you don't like the penalty, don't break the law.

    You are such a moron that you broke the same law multiple times before this sank in.

    Sorry... I have no sympathy for folks that not only feel comfortable endangering the public on a routine basis (because I don't believe for a moment that these were the only times you drove drunk), but is also so stupid that you don't understand after the first couple of times that this is a bad idea.

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    Default Re: Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

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    Finally, a voice of reason in this thread... and that's not directed at the writer of the following quotes.

    You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.

    Correct, FalconFour, you don't retain facts in your memory for very long. Why? Because you were riding an electric scooter--without a helmet, that's why.
    There were no bank robberies, there were no rapes, there were no murders at gunpoint.
    There wasn't even a speeding ticket of doing 67 in a 65.
    There was just a kid riding an 8-MPH electric scooter without a helmet. Chasing after his dog, which can run much faster.

    For this reason you understandably downplayed that citation. The menace of the California state judicial system, however, did not. And with it, utterly ruined the next three years of your professional life.

    I see no way around this miscarriage of justice. I have learned in all my years that there really isn't any way to deal with this kind of legislative and judicial abuse upon citizens, outside of raising millions of dollars and threatening the judicial branch of criminal justice with lawyers...
    ...This is also why police usually patrol the poorer neighborhoods, and why wealthier teenagers get away with speeding in their wealthy neighborhoods: avoiding the wealthier neighborhoods guarantees wealthy families do not get involved in the criminal justice system, threatening it...

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    Hardly.
    You do the crime, you do the time. What could be more fair or just?
    They do.
    I would take away every single priviledge or benefit that the child has until the behavior stops.

    The first thing I would do is toss my child's room making sure that there wasn't anything that shouldn't be there.

    Finally, I would thank the school for identifying a problem with my child while it is still manageable. You know, like before their third DUI.
    Nope... because it isn't a miscarriage of justice.
    First, every child, moron, is entitled to an education. If you are removed from the school according to district for a behavior problem, you are sent to another school for behavior challenged kids.
    Second, you most certainly can get into MIT with a GED.
    There is no fight. I agree with the suspension/expulsion.
    The good news is that, as a felon, you can also no longer vote.
    I don't understand why this is hard for you. If you don't like the penalty, on't break the law.
    You are such a moron that you broke the same law multiple times before this sank in.
    Sorry... I have no sympathy for folks that not only feel comfortable endangering the public on a routine basis (because I don't believe for a moment that these were the only times you drove drunk), but is also so stupid that you don't understand after the first couple of times that this is a bad idea.
    I really want this thread to stay on-topic, as the OP seems to have a more polished intellect than your own (heck. Even blueeagle is more polished, no offense).

    But, suppose your child, who has a 3.5 GPA and UCLA scholarship, was caught with THC or alcohol on his breath while at school. Furthermore, suppose your kid is expelled from the school, forcing you to transfer your kid to the only available school for his offense: the dreaded Downtown High School (DHS). This is the high school where there are multiple gang shootings and whatnot. It's frequently featured on Channel 5 News because of gang and drug activity.
    And it's the only school you are legally allowed to send your upright, bright kid.
    The only thing you knew about the new expulsion policy was that it was for kids at the high school who deal massive amounts of drugs such as crystal meth, bring guns to school such as semi-automatic pistols, and commit chronic truancy.
    You find out, as your kid is being police-escorted to your house, that the expulsion policy is 'zero tolerance' and can cover any kid sipping a beer or in possession of a joint.

    Are you ready to sentence your kid for the rest of his high school days to DHS without a whimper? Or are you going to write a letter to the D/A; talk to the Principal? It's gotta be one or the other.

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    When I read ...I thought...
    Please, please. Do not do that.

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