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    Default Re: Employment Agencies Barring Applicants

    Quote Quoting LawResearcherMissy
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    A felony conviction is pretty obviously an indication that you don't think the law applies to you. It's not an indication of being a fine and upstanding citizen.

    One doesn't need studies to show that.
    As you framed it, it is not a question of whether an individual think the law applies to him/her. I'm getting the sense that you don't think a section of Title VII applies to you and employers in general. What should we gleem from that? Nonetheless, you said that felons have a reputation for being untrustworthy and lying.

    An employer will need acceptable studies if it plans to defend a policy that has an adverse impact because felons are untrustworthy and liars.

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    Default Re: Employment Agencies Barring Applicants

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    There are two overwhelming issues here.

    One, that employers are saddled with these "guidelines" but not from the fallout. So, if I hire a convicted murderer for my new accountant, there is no protection from my receptionist's family when she spurns his advances and he butchers her like a suckling pig.

    and Two, all the do gooders are perfectly happy to preach of equality, but then are the first to complain and threaten when the person in the next cube is the felon they have been trying to protect.

    When my employees' safety is of concern, the applicant felon will always lose.

    Having said that, I have hired felons of a non violent stripe for various positions after they have demonstrated, IN MY OPINION, to have lived a life proving they have learned from the mistake they made.

    However, until the government is willing to pay me for the time and effort it takes to research a felon's rehabilitation, a felon will always start with a handicap.
    Why are you telling me this? I don't make or interpret the law. Further, you've got a rather distorted notion of felonies. There are plenty of felons and individuals with conviction records whose crimes don't involve bodily harm. And, besides many of those reported in the press for killing or attempting to kill their co-workers are not felons.

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    Default Re: Employment Agencies Barring Applicants

    I'm getting the sense that you don't think a section of Title VII applies to you and employers in general.
    I'm not an employer, but thanks for playing.

    What should we gleem from that?
    We ought not "gleem" anything, since it's a brand of toothpaste and has no bearing on the topic at hand.

    I think you're look for "glean", and what we should glean from that is I don't have a problem at all with employers saying "Look, you were convicted of a felony, and that's just not in line with our company policies. We really can't have you handling large sums of cash if you're not bondable".

    Felons, I'm sure you're aware, are largely not bondable.

    It hasn't sweet diddly to do with race, and everything to do with that they have already demonstrated that they cannot be trusted.

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    Default Re: Employment Agencies Barring Applicants

    Quote Quoting LawResearcherMissy
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    It hasn't sweet diddly to do with race, and everything to do with that they have already demonstrated that they cannot be trusted.


    Missy, sometimes there is a "fine legal line" between a misdemeanor and a felony.

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    Default Re: Employment Agencies Barring Applicants

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    I'm not an employer
    That's good to know.

    Your screen name suggests that you research the law. Apparently, you need to get the information on Title VII, adverse impact and conviction records from some other source. If you want to become more knowlegable on this legal issue and get beyond your personal feelings, I suggest that you do as your name implies and do some legal research on the subjects. Since you are not an employer and you aren't the OP in need of information, I don't think there is anything I can do for you. I'm not interested in playing, although I'm not sure what you are playing. I take this much too seriously.

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