Using Videotape To Prevent Rape Accusations

[blueeagle]

I have mixed feeling about this. I admit the OP has a pretty valid point. False allegation of rape have been on the rise for the last decade. Nothing wrong with a man wanting to protect himself from prison. What better evidence is their than a video tape? Video evidence has been used by BOTH sides of the law for years. It's the "magic box".

This video can be a double-edged sword. In the event of an actual rape this tape could be used by law enforcement to convict the perpetrator. I have nothing again this, in fact, I think it might be a good idea for woman to buy one of these as well.

Now for the opposition... Video tapping somebody without their consent warrants a violation of their privacy. The actor could find himself slapped with a both a lawsuit and another criminal charge. Although violation of privacy is no where near as heinous as rape...

The only way around this is to let your partner know they are being video tapped. Just don't be surprised if they refuse to sleep with you. I wouldn't want to engage in intercourse knowing I'm being tapped.

Carl's point about intoxication is valid. Intoxication individuals cannot legally consent to sex. All the accuser has to do is claim she was drunk at the time.

Your best bet is the make sure you KNOW the person before you sleep with them! Try dating before you have that "one night stand".

[cyjeff]

AGAIN.. that is the part I am not understanding.

What, exactly, are you marketing?

Video tape recorders? Those already exist.

Hidden tape recorders? Those already exist. Google "nannycam".

I don't even understand the conversation.

This is like debating the legality of a metal vehicle with an internal combustion engine that will ride on 3.. no 4 rubber tires... I call it an auto-mobile!

[cdwjava]

And I'd have to question the true motives of the men to whom this sort of marketing might appeal ... hmmm ...

- Carl

[cyjeff]

And I'd have to question the true motives of the men to whom this sort of marketing might appeal ... hmmm ...

- Carl

Agreed.

I thought every sleazoid ALREADY had a camera set up.

[cyjeff]

hey Carl... another question....

I know that things like drug items and burglar tools have their own laws, but since the OP is marketing a tool to commit a crime, isn't that a crime in and of itself?

[cdwjava]

hey Carl... another question....

I know that things like drug items and burglar tools have their own laws, but since the OP is marketing a tool to commit a crime, isn't that a crime in and of itself?

Not likely ... if that were the case, then many security and nannycam firms might be prosecuted. Just throw in a disclaimer telling their client to fully research state and local laws before using their product, and they will likely be safe. But, a person can sue for anything, so even that may not be enough to protect the provider from a civil suit. It can be costly even to win a suit.

- Carl

[BOR]

Not likely ... if that were the case, then many security and nannycam firms might be prosecuted. Just throw in a disclaimer telling their client to fully research state and local laws before using their product, and they will likely be safe. But, a person can sue for anything, so even that may not be enough to protect the provider from a civil suit. It can be costly even to win a suit.

- Carl

Even if the intent was to use it criminally, unless it was actually done "thought crimes" are unconstitutional.

Carl, you remember the lawsuit against gun manufacturers, that they purposely flooded the market with so many weapons, under the doctrine of "forseeability" as one cause of action, they were negligent in such manufacture and subject to damages for the nation's gun violence rate.

It also reminds me of the "obesity" lawsuit filed aginst X # fast food chains, asserting they were responsible for FAT America.

[cdwjava]

Even if the intent was to use it criminally, unless it was actually done "thought crimes" are unconstitutional.

Carl, you remember the lawsuit against gun manufacturers, that they purposely flooded the market with so many weapons, under the doctrine of "forseeability" as one cause of action, they were negligent in such manufacture and subject to damages for the nation's gun violence rate.

It also reminds me of the "obesity" lawsuit filed aginst X # fast food chains, asserting they were responsible for FAT America.

And, as is the case with most emotional verdicts in favor of a plaintiff, the appeals courts bring back common sense and reduce or overturn awards.

Unless the retailer marketed the devices to be used for illegal purposes, chances are that he would not be successfully sued for the misuse of the purchaser. If so, we can sue radio Shack , Wal-Mart, K-Mart and best Buy tomorrow. All of those outfits sell products that can be used to remotely record in your bedroom.

- Carl

[Hersh2000]

Again your misinterpreting my post to satisfy your personal viewpoints and insecurities instead of addressing my questions & points.

As to what I would be marketing, I would not be marketing anything that was not available, just advertising that these offer the perfect defense of being falsely accused of rape. I don't exactly see how that is contributing to a crime.

If you secretly tape yourself having sex with various consential partners and don't market, sell them or show them, law enforcement is not going to arrest you, if you use one to prove to them you did not rape someone. Sorry, it ain't going to happen.

I never heard of anyone being charged with a crime for having consentual sex with a drunk woman. Before you accuse me of that, drunk women turn me off! I know if you slip a drug into a woman like GBH, you are committing rape. I think the same would be if you have consentual sex with a mentally retarded woman. Again, just the thought of that revolts me.

For me personally, there is no problem today as I won't sleep with someone I don't know with because there are too many unbalanced people in the world- that isn't for benevolent reasons, whereas 20 years ago I'd sport f--k any
woman I was attracted too who the feeling was mutual. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that today because I don't trust most people anymore. I kind of blame the woman who got Mike Tyson put in jail. Sorry, some guy like Tyson who invites you into his hotel room at 4:00 AM or whenever it was, and you think he's not expecting something? I'll always think Tyson got set up.

[mmmagique]

"If you secretly tape yourself having sex with various consential partners and don't market, sell them or show them, law enforcement is not going to arrest you, if you use one to prove to them you did not rape someone. Sorry, it ain't going to happen."

Did you happen to read any of the links I provided to you?

My guess is...no...

Let us know how your venture turns out for you (and for your unfortunate customers) I'm very curious about this.

~Christina