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    My question involves labor and employment law for the state of: Missouri

    I have been employed at my present position for 14 years with a clean work record, my problem is that I have been putting up with a boss that has an attitude that brings the whole department down very hard to work for because he will do it his way and not listen to the people in his department when they suggest ideas. Anyway, he was rude to me one morning as usual and I kind of told him his attitude sucked and that he can be an asshole. I was not on the clock at this time. I have many witnesses including the Plant Manager the plant manager took my supervisors side and gave me a suspension three days later on a Monday. Nothing was said to me on Friday about the incident. Since I have had a clean record I was expecting maybe a verbal or written warning. Does the suspension seem harsh for this conduct?

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    no - if it were me I would have fired you

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    Your employer could have disciplined you in any way for your action up to & including firing you.

    Be glad you still have a job.

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    My question involves labor and employment law for the state of: Missouri

    I have been employed at my present position for 14 years with a clean work record, my problem is that I have been putting up with a boss that has an attitude that brings the whole department down very hard to work for because he will do it his way and not listen to the people in his department when they suggest ideas. Anyway, he was rude to me one morning as usual and I kind of told him his attitude sucked and that he can be an asshole. I was not on the clock at this time. I have many witnesses including the Plant Manager the plant manager took my supervisors side and gave me a suspension three days later on a Monday. Nothing was said to me on Friday about the incident. Since I have had a clean record I was expecting maybe a verbal or written warning. Does the suspension seem harsh for this conduct?

    Employers love to goad employees into such, they are experts on it, they grind and grind, then when the employee calls them on it, they crack thier whip and make it all out to be the employees fault.

    Some employers are not only a**holes, they deserve to be called it, BUT, the employee never wins in an at will relationship.

    Even if you as an employee are terminated illegally, it is still up to you, the potentail Plaintiff to prove such.

    I have stated on this board before, I have only read 2 cases in my research of many years in which the employer ADMITTED liability in a wrongful discharge case, and then they thought it was no big deal, trust me on that, it backfired on them, then they wish they would have denied it, trust me on that!!


    No one has said your suspension is just that as a final course of action, a suspension, as Betty points out, be glad you have a job, but they will, and legally can, change thier minds on terminating you.

    Watch your back, try to keep your cool!!

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    Employers love to goad employees into such, they are experts on it, they grind and grind, then when the employee calls them on it, they crack thier whip and make it all out to be the employees fault.

    Some employers are not only a**holes, they deserve to be called it, BUT, the employee never wins in an at will relationship.

    Even if you as an employee are terminated illegally, it is still up to you, the potentail Plaintiff to prove such.

    I have stated on this board before, I have only read 2 cases in my research of many years in which the employer ADMITTED liability in a wrongful discharge case, and then they thought it was no big deal, trust me on that, it backfired on them, then they wish they would have denied it, trust me on that!!


    No one has said your suspension is just that as a final course of action, a suspension, as Betty points out, be glad you have a job, but they will, and legally can, change thier minds on terminating you.

    Watch your back, try to keep your cool!!
    I don't remember the "Joys of Goading Employees into Acts of Irresponsible Behavior" class in business school.

    Having said that, there is not a big conspiracy out there. Some people are represented best by the southbound end of a northbound horse. When they manage people, that attitude carries over.

    Mutual respect works best. Calling a boss any name is a career limiting decision.

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    I don't remember the "Joys of Goading Employees into Acts of Irresponsible Behavior" class in business school.
    Does that theory also include women who are sexually harassed job after job and demands are made of them and they snap?? I guess then when a woman calls her boss an a**hole when he proposititions her she is "irresponsible". Interesting!!

    Or is sexual harassment just a myth women invent to extort money from employers, as most employers claim??

    Did your business school have courses in employee retention and turnover? Is hounding someone day after day a way to achieve employee loyalty??

    I am a white male and I have been the victim of unlawful discrimination more than once and I have witnessed it a # of times, so I don't need to be taught about so called employer innocence.

    As I stated before on the board, at one time I extensively researched employment law and you would not believe the horror cases that have come out of employment at will. Are you seriously telling me ALL those cases are the result of employees attitudes??? C'mon Jeff!!



    Having said that, there is not a big conspiracy out there. Some people are represented best by the southbound end of a northbound horse. When they manage people, that attitude carries over.

    By that statement I seem to extract from you that most all lawsuits against employers, for sexual harassment or not, are as I stated, attempted extortion.



    Mutual respect works best. Calling a boss any name is a career limiting decision.

    I never said it was'nt, if you re-read my post. Just because YOU might not do it, it does not mean another can handle being treated like trash as good as you!!!

    You had your say and I had mine, we don't need to detract from the op's thread with our debate anymore!!

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    Hold up there. You are seeing things through a lens that is not present.

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    Does that theory also include women who are sexually harassed job after job and demands are made of them and they snap?? I guess then when a woman calls her boss an a**hole when he proposititions her she is "irresponsible". Interesting!!
    He/she said he was rude. Not sexually harrassing.

    Your statement was that
    Employers love to goad employees into such, they are experts on it
    Means that getting an employee into calling them names is somehow part of good management. It isn't.

    Or is sexual harassment just a myth women invent to extort money from employers, as most employers claim??
    Again, where did the OP mention sexual harrassment?

    Did your business school have courses in employee retention and turnover? Is hounding someone day after day a way to achieve employee loyalty??
    Of course not. I have often said that bad managers deserve to manage no one.

    still doesn't give the OP the right to name call.

    I am a white male and I have been the victim of unlawful discrimination more than once and I have witnessed it a # of times, so I don't need to be taught about so called employer innocence.
    Maybe not. However, you may want to think about reading through a post and then looking for evidence of infraction before you run off.

    As I stated before on the board, at one time I extensively researched employment law and you would not believe the horror cases that have come out of employment at will. Are you seriously telling me ALL those cases are the result of employees attitudes??? C'mon Jeff!!
    I never said anything of the kind. I know there are bad bosses out there. Being a jerk, however, is still not illegal.

    By that statement I seem to extract from you that most all lawsuits against employers, for sexual harassment or not, are as I stated, attempted extortion.
    That is not a leap in judgement... it is a spaceshot.

    I have never said anything of the sort.

    Neither did the OP.

    I never said it was'nt, if you re-read my post. Just because YOU might not do it, it does not mean another can handle being treated like trash as good as you!!!

    You had your say and I had mine, we don't need to detract from the op's thread with our debate anymore!!
    If you had read my post, I didn't doubt that the person was a jerk. I just said that employers aren't necessarily jerks or that they become jerks when they enter management.

    Sometimes you have jerks that rise to management and continue being jerks. The OP's boss sounds like one. Doesn't make it illegal or his/her actions allowed.

    Our debate? You have gone off on a tangent because you read something into the post - that the comments that were stated were of a sexual nature - that was not stated.

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