Anesthesia Given Without Consent And Against Patient's Will

[cyjeff]

Girly, The lawsuits have taught me how to deal with you, I'm not afraid, I actually would like to be sued by you, because you are a recognized idiot. The statements you make are out of a weekend lawyers playbook. So when you here a new term, you are confused, because, geeseeeeee, I didn't go to medical school, so the new idea must be wrong. Your a piece of sh+t. Everyone wants free money, but when you win a 30 mil lawsuit like Mr. Edwards and keep the money for yourself, your client still has to pay more for health insurance. Dumba+s

If this "you are a poopy head because you don't agree with me" argument is the best you've got, you are in for a rough row to hoe.

Not my fault you jumped on the wrong side of the legal fence. Maybe you should consider private practice.

Or anger management. Either is good.

[lealea1005]

So, in essence, it was so much easier when those darn patients didn't take the time to educate themselves and just accepted what the doctor said as gospel from on high?

Just looking for the same respect as one would give an expert in any other profession.

You really long for the days when patients put less effort into researching their medical care than you did researching your last big screen TV or high end sedan?

Don't own a big screen tv and I drive a 1999 toyota corolla. You're sterotyping.

Sorry... every other business and profession gets to benefit from the bright light shown upon it by the information readily available to anyone that wants it.

Not saying people aren't deserving of that information. Just as I leave the car to the mechanic's expertise, the taxes to an accountant, and the will to the lawyer, I'd like the benefit of the doubt that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to medicine.

Why should doctors be any different? Let's not forget that we are discussing this on a LEGAL website. You seem okay with discussing the law in this type of forum.

I try to keep my advice to medical, medical billing, and health insurance issues because that's what I know. I've learned a lot from many on this site and have no problem giving credit to them.

Yes, you went to medical school. Yes, you are the defacto experts. Sorry that you are no longer considered perfect.

Never claim to be anywhere near perfect.


Yeah... you are gonna have to get over that.

Again, we, the patients, aren't asking for much here. We just want the services and expertise we are paying so dearly to have are worth the money (ours), the pain (ours) and healing time (ours) that you are insisting we pay. We want to understand what is happening to our person... what is going to be the long and short term effects and the benefits hoped for.

I totally agree. When you are given this information by your Physician (the one you asked) why, then, can't you trust the answer you get?

If you don't like it when patients ask all those darn questions, maybe you picked the wrong line of work. Cause we ain't stopping anytime soon.

Their questions are welcomed. There needs to be mutual respect on a human being level.

Have a good weekend.

[gigirle]

Here is a link that specifically outlines the Patients Rights. These PBOR are established by Joint Commission and hospitals are bound by them. What happened to the OP here is wrong. Wrong doesnt' mean windfall but it doesnt mean right either.

Specifically, the standards in this section ensure that: (1) healthcare professionals pursue your good as a patient; (2) they deliver your care in a way that respects your rights to self-determination and to informed consent; and (3) that you and your significant others are intimately involved in all aspects of the medical treatment decision-making process

http://www.empowerpatients.com/index_files/Page957.htm
I do not endorse this site in anyway, just think it puts it in laymen's terms the best.

[BlueCrystal]

I knew somebody who held that view, until her ovarian cyst was the size of a basketball and she ended up in the ER.

I'm at stage III with Endometriosis. I am actively planning my funeral. I believe that when someone becomes ill in this fashion it's time to let god take control and accept fate.

[cyjeff]

I'm at stage III with Endometriosis. I am actively planning my funeral. I believe that when someone becomes ill in this fashion it's time to let god take control and accept fate.

I am so sorry for your illness.

Allow me to offer the small hope that there are no absolutes in medicine or in life. No one knows all the answers.

Good luck.

[seniorjudge]

I'm at stage III with Endometriosis. I am actively planning my funeral. I believe that when someone becomes ill in this fashion it's time to let god take control and accept fate.

The best for you....

[lealea1005]

I'm at stage III with Endometriosis. I am actively planning my funeral. I believe that when someone becomes ill in this fashion it's time to let god take control and accept fate.

I am truly sorry about your illness. I hope you find strength and comfort in your faith.

[deepsleep1975]

Gigirle Thanks for the insult. Perhaps I didn't express my view how I wanted. I never ignore my patients concerns. What I was refering to is I hate when people come in with preconceived unwavering notions on what they should have me do inspite of the fact that their desires put them at increased risk for complications and I communicate this to them and they still insist and refuse to compromise.
I'll give you an example early in my practice -- when I could be bullied by these demands --- a patient was getting a diskectomy on their lower back ( a 1-2hr operation ). They insisted on local only -- I explained to them that this would be a very claustrophobic, uncomfortable position and to then sedate in this postition it could become dangerous for them. They still demanded local only. I accepted -- 30min into the operation they became uncomfortable and panicky. I gave some sedation the patient kept moving to the point the surgeon couldn't operate. So the question is what do I do now any more sedation and they could stop breathing effectively, yet to convert to general anesthesia we would have to roll them over on an open wound -- exposing them to infection. I vowed to never do this again; I would never allow myself to place a patient in danger by comprimising my standard of care because of their insistance. Now, I will discuss the issues but if the patient wants me to perform some anesthesia I feel could endanger themselves I have them refered to another anesthesiologist.

[Vincent B]

deepsleep,
In case you have not realized, you can not reason with these people, they are lawyers that see you as a dollar sign. If you read my reasonable post, the girly, she thinks TEE's are not performed by anesthesiologist and feels the patient knows more than the doctor. Short man syndromes mixed with resentment and stupidity equals malpractice ambulance chasers. Give it up, there is no open reason on this forum..

[cyjeff]

deepsleep,
In case you have not realized, you can not reason with these people, they are lawyers that see you as a dollar sign. If you read my reasonable post, the girly, she thinks TEE's are not performed by anesthesiologist and feels the patient knows more than the doctor. Short man syndromes mixed with resentment and stupidity equals malpractice ambulance chasers. Give it up, there is no open reason on this forum..

I am not a lawyer.

I am just a patient. Like most people.

And for you to tell me that it is foolish and churlish to demand input into the care for my own person and the people in my family is elitist at best and dictatorial at worst.

Call it what you want. You can either deal with the fact that you are going to be dealing with patients that take the time to educate themselves and refuse to believe that doctors are greater beings or you won't.