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    Default Re: California verbal agreements.(traded cars)

    After the trade, did you also transfer the titles? That was done three months ago?

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    Default Re: California verbal agreements.(traded cars)

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    After the trade, did you also transfer the titles? That was done three months ago?
    yes.. i submitted the release of liability the California DMV a few days after the transaction and signed over the pink slip to him during the transaction.

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    Default Re: California verbal agreements.(traded cars)

    Although you don't have anything in writing to confirm an "as is" deal, there's also nothing in writing suggesting any form of warranty. Unless he starts claiming intentional misrepresentation, which would complicate your defense, I doubt that he has much of a case if he sues.

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    Default Re: Verbal Agreement for a Car Trade in California

    California is weird in so many respects and all the smog stuff is a good example of it (I'm pretty sure it all started here and is about 90% about money). California states that smogging a vehicle that's being sold is "the responsibility of the seller" which, in my opinion, really means nothing.

    If a willing seller sells to a willing buyer, I think any agreement they might enter into negates the customary rule that the seller smogs the vehicle. It's a bad idea for a buyer to consider such a proposition because he's essentially buying a 'pig in a poke'. If it can't pass smog, it's worth almost nothing ($500, I think, thanks to the taxpayers) in the state of California.

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    Default Re: Verbal Agreement for a Car Trade in California

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    If a willing seller sells to a willing buyer, I think any agreement they might enter into negates the customary rule that the seller smogs the vehicle.
    I'm not so sure, Chucky. If there is a law which makes it illegal to sell a vehicle which has not been smogged, I think that nullifies the contract. In general, I believe, a contract based on an illegality is null and void. Remember, however, that I am not an attorney and I could certainly be wrong about that. But I do remember reading something to that effect. I just don't remember in what context....

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    Default Re: Verbal Agreement for a Car Trade in California

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    I'm not so sure, Chucky. If there is a law which makes it illegal to sell a vehicle which has not been smogged, I think that nullifies the contract. In general, I believe, a contract based on an illegality is null and void. Remember, however, that I am not an attorney and I could certainly be wrong about that. But I do remember reading something to that effect. I just don't remember in what context....

    Barry
    I understand what you're saying and completely agree....if it is, in fact, a law. It's never affected me so I've never researched it but my guess is that it's not.

    EDIT: I did a quick check and found that Barry is most likely correct; it appears to be a legal requirement in California. I stand corrected!

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    Default Re: Verbal Agreement for a Car Trade in California

    A smog certificate is only good for 90 days, so even if one had been provided it wouldn't be valid three full months later. I see various sites that indicate that a used car seller is to provide a smog certificate, but I don't see any which describe the consequence of failure or what happens when the buyer knowingly purchases a car without a smog certificate. I would be interested in seeing any legal authority on this question, one way or the other.

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    Default Re: Verbal Agreement for a Car Trade in California

    Per the DMV the seller is required to obtain a smog certificate prior to the transfer of title to the vehicle. No smog certificate, no transfer of title.

    I believe that current and valid registration is sufficient, but it may be only so long as the vehicle was smogged in the past year. I recently sold a car to a friend of ours and we did not have to get it smogged ... though it had to pass inspection several months earlier for registration renewal.

    So ... who has the car right now? Have you gotten it back? If not, then if there has been no transfer of title or release of liability filed, you might just be able to go collect the car yourself as it is not legally his.

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