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    ameliorate frictional unemployment .
    You need to get a new "favorite word of the day" Daniel. You really seem to be stuck on that group of words.

    and, if I understand your intent, there are already "market friendly" work visas in use. A visa is not meant to be a come on over and then find work. There are already methods in place to allow an employer to import labor not found within our borders.

    Market friendly work visas would not be a guarantee of employment, in states that have at-will employment laws; merely, the opportunity (legal right) to work in that nation-state.
    If a foreigner does not have employment already secured, why would we want them to come here? So they can set around in a foreign country and environment doing nothing and utilizing resources that are already limited?

    btw; all states have employment-at-will laws, in one way or another.

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    Our current crop of work visas are are more for the purposes of statism and not market friendly, or we would not have issues with black market migrant labor participation.

    At-will employment doctrine suggests that there is no guaranteed employment, in states that have at-will employment laws. Guaranteed employment is also not market friendly, since it does not allow for changing market conditions.

    Any tourism would be incidental to the legal right to work in our form of statism.

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    “We” and “our”? Dan, your German-Austrian Economic policies are obvious. Our economy is too complex to develop a computerized national job bank to balance the fluctuations of structural unemployment. (Review structural unemployment.)

    At-will employment is a policy embraced by all states. It implies there is a job to be had by someone.

    Frictional unemployment is not a “bad” thing, economically. E up: P up. E down: P down. Therefore, trying to pay people to not work will not be desirable economically.

    Nor will it fit into your plan. A computerized national job bank won’t work in the United States of America. We are Capitalists the opposite of Socialist.

    No matter how your terminology butchers the Constitution, federal policies, state statutes, etc you are not going to convince anyone that “general Welfare” ,“statism”, “public sector”, (what tourism has to do with anything I can’t decipher) we are anything but close to a socialist nation.

    And we like it like that, we like Capitalism.

    Cyclical unemployment, gov spending and policies create opportunity.

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    “We” and “our”? Dan, your German-Austrian Economic policies are obvious. Our economy is too complex to develop a computerized national job bank to balance the fluctuations of structural unemployment. (Review structural unemployment.)

    At-will employment is a policy embraced by all states. It implies there is a job to be had by someone.

    Frictional unemployment is not a “bad” thing, economically. E up: P up. E down: P down. Therefore, trying to pay people to not work will not be desirable economically.

    Nor will it fit into your plan. A computerized national job bank won’t work in the United States of America. We are Capitalists the opposite of Socialist.

    No matter how your terminology butchers the Constitution, federal policies, state statutes, etc you are not going to convince anyone that “general Welfare” ,“statism”, “public sector”, (what tourism has to do with anything I can’t decipher) we are anything but close to a socialist nation.

    And we like it like that, we like Capitalism.

    Cyclical unemployment, gov spending and policies create opportunity.
    I am not advocating a "socialized" employment scheme. I understand that schemes based on command economics are less efficient than schemes based on market economics.

    I also do not advocate policies contradictory to at-will employment doctrine.

    A market friendly work visa would be just that; market friendly.

    As for the notion on socialism, it is my contention that first world economies would not be first world economies; but for socialism.

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    As for the notion on socialism, it is my contention that first world economies would not be first world economies; but for socialism.
    ya, I can see that helped in the USSR. I also must believe that you do not believe the US to be a first world economy due to the fact it is not a socialist society.

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    ya, I can see that helped in the USSR. I also must believe that you do not believe the US to be a first world economy due to the fact it is not a socialist society.
    Truer forms of socialism that employed command economics, are what enabled; and can enable, a second world standard of living, in states that had, or currently have, third world standards of living, resulting from third world levels of infrastructure.

    I agree that most people consider the US to have a first world economy. It is simply my contention, that we would not have our current level of infrastructure development, without the socialist policies of FDR.

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    Truer forms of socialism that employed command economics, are what enabled; and can enable, a second world standard of living, in states that had, or currently have, third world standards of living, resulting from third world levels of infrastructure.
    in a perfect world, which we do not live in and never will.

    I agree that most people consider the US to have a first world economy. It is simply my contention, that we would not have our current level of infrastructure development, without the socialist policies of FDR.
    as I said before, FDR's policies were during a very unique time in US history and were used to provide a sense of self worth to those that were without employment. It would not be practical today nor is it needed today.

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    Our current crop of work visas are are more for the purposes of statism and not market friendly, or we would not have issues with black market migrant labor participation.
    from what little I know about visas, we have 3 basic flavors;

    tourist
    work
    student

    None of those are intended to benefit the government directly. As a matter of fact, the work visa is as market friendly as you can get. Of course there are rules to follow and limitations to who and why a visa is issued but that is part of protecting the citizens of this country.

    The reason we have black market illegal labor is the penalties for utilizing this type of labor is not great enough to dissuade those that use it. That is as market friendly as you will ever get.

    Again, you need to use the proper definition of statism.

    Socialism and Communism are generally considered to be statist governments. Capitolism (US) is quite the opposite.

    At-will employment doctrine suggests that there is no guaranteed employment, in states that have at-will employment laws. Guaranteed employment is also not market friendly, since it does not allow for changing market conditions.
    of course there is no guaranteed employment. that is what the socialists tried..and failed at doing.

    Any tourism would be incidental to the legal right to work in our form of statism.
    tourism? where does this come in to the formula?

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    from what little I know about visas, we have 3 basic flavors;

    tourist
    work
    student

    None of those are intended to benefit the government directly. As a matter of fact, the work visa is as market friendly as you can get. Of course there are rules to follow and limitations to who and why a visa is issued but that is part of protecting the citizens of this country.

    The reason we have black market illegal labor is the penalties for utilizing this type of labor is not great enough to dissuade those that use it. That is as market friendly as you will ever get.

    Again, you need to use the proper definition of statism.

    Socialism and Communism are generally considered to be statist governments. Capitolism (US) is quite the opposite.

    of course there is no guaranteed employment. that is what the socialists tried..and failed at doing.

    tourism? where does this come in to the formula?
    I am not advocating any changes to existing visa programs. It is simply my contention, that a market friendly work visa program; could have the effect of reducing public and private sector costs, while ameliorating frictional unemployment for US labor market participants.

    Your understanding of socialism, may be correct from a political science perspective, but it does not account for truer forms of socialism from an economic perspective; only a simplified political perspective.

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    I am not advocating any changes to existing visa programs. It is simply my contention, that a market friendly work visa program; could have the effect of reducing public and private sector costs, while ameliorating frictional unemployment for US labor market participants.

    Your understanding of socialism, may be correct from a political science perspective, but it does not account for truer forms of socialism from an economic perspective; only a simplified political perspective.
    there you go again. ameliorating frictional unemployment. get a new catch phrase.

    So, give an example of a successful socialist government in a country that has reasonable political stability and a reasonable amount of self sufficiency afforded by the ownership of natural resources.

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