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    How naive can you be. First, this idea of your at-will unemployment simply not a realistic idea. Americans (can't speak for other nations) tend to be a lazy group of people. Not to knock all of them but in a great sense, they are lazy. If you were willing to simply pay a person whenever they want to not work, you would have so many applicants that those left working would never be able to sustain the payments to the leaches.

    Now, the at-will unemployment will cause a lot of problems very similar to what communism in the USSR did. To the lower paid classes, there will be no incentive to work. In the USSR it was because they effectively could not be fired so they had no incentive to do a good job. In your utopia, those that are simply not paid enough or did not like their boss one day, or had an arguement with the spouse that morning, would simply quite work as long as they knew they could collect your at-will unemployment. In either case, ther is no dedication to your employment because there is no real incentive to work hard. So, in your world, you will pay them more, but where is this money coming from. Market economics tend to set prices and wages, not the individual employer. Unless the market will allow this increase in wages, we will still have a minimum wage type situation.

    Ya, like our current welfare system? Those that know how to play the game do quite well (at least as far as their intent) making our welfare system an at-will situation rather than a need based system.


    IT WON'T WORK, Daniel.
    Can you cite any research that implies that normal market forces will suddenly cease to exist, if the public sector provides a safety net that complies with the theory of supply and demand?

    How are you arriving at your conclusion? Anecdotal evidence from the agricultural sector, implies that forms of "corporate" welfare, for the legal fiction of an individual, have the potential to do the opposite of what you suggest would happen.

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    Your response appears to be a cut and paste repetitive response.

    Please investigate how our Federal Government already has in place in system to effectively manipulate the economy with the workforce.

    You have a theory but don't know how to explain it or how it would work to improve anything or change anything in place.

    The topic that you have selected to develop lacks any real statistics.

    I asked about experience with the Constitution in that it doesn't appear you understand civil rights, unions, and how they effectively prevent someone from being wrongfully terminated.

    I am not suggesting someone isn't wrongfully terminated. But there are those persons who are too lazy to use the system in place.
    I have already looked into this. I use simple metrics to determine the validity of our current programs: the poverty rate and the unemployment rate.

    If our current public policies worked, we would have zero official unemployment and poverty, since individuals would have recourse to a minimum wage that would prevent it.

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    In your utopia, those that are simply not paid enough or did not like their boss one day, or had an arguement with the spouse that morning, would simply quite work as long as they knew they could collect your at-will unemployment.
    Why do you consider at-will employment to be a bad thing?

    Wouldn't the employment sector be better off, if they didn't have to hire less motivated or less efficient labor market participants, in the first place?

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    Why do you consider at-will employment to be a bad thing?

    Wouldn't the employment sector be better off, if they didn't have to hire less motivated or less efficient labor market participants, in the first place?
    at-will employment isn't a bad thing. Your theory of at-will UNemployment is a bad thing. jk is stating that it would be stupid to pay people who just feel like not working. At-will employment helps get rid of people in the workplace that don't do their job, so why would we want to reward those fired for such reasons? It's a stupid concept.

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    Why do you consider at-will employment to be a bad thing?

    Wouldn't the employment sector be better off, if they didn't have to hire less motivated or less efficient labor market participants, in the first place?
    Don't you get it?

    They don;t have to hire the less motivatred or less efficient now, and if they do as a temporary measure or discover they did unintentionally, they can get rid of them due to the at-will employment laws we now have.

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    at-will employment isn't a bad thing. Your theory of at-will UNemployment is a bad thing. jk is stating that it would be stupid to pay people who just feel like not working. At-will employment helps get rid of people in the workplace that don't do their job, so why would we want to reward those fired for such reasons? It's a stupid concept.
    How are you arriving at your conclusion? Anecdotal evidence from the agricultural sector, implies that forms of "corporate" welfare, for the legal fiction of an individual, have the potential to do the opposite of what you suggest would happen.

    How does your view account for the doctrine of at-will employment for the individual?

    Our current programs do not comply with the theory of supply and demand. Market friendly public policy could be used to reduce public and private sector costs, and ameliorate the effects of poverty that are the result of a simple lack of income and due to inefficiencies in specific markets.

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    Don't you get it?

    They don;t have to hire the less motivatred or less efficient now, and if they do as a temporary measure or discover they did unintentionally, they can get rid of them due to the at-will employment laws we now have.
    How do you account for gains (in a form of division of labor) from not having to divert private sector resources to less motivated individuals, in the first place? (e.g. in the form of an economic fiction: Mr. Adam Smith was kind enough to sort them out for us).

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    How are you arriving at your conclusion? Anecdotal evidence from the agricultural sector, implies that forms of "corporate" welfare, for the legal fiction of an individual, have the potential to do the opposite of what you suggest would happen.
    So it's been proven that it makes sense to pay lazy people to do nothing? Show me your sources.

    How does your view account for the doctrine of at-will employment for the individual?
    What is it that you don't understand?? At-will employment allows employers to maintain their workforce or get rid of the lollygaggers if they so choose. It also allows for the employee to leave their job whenever they feel like it if they don't like the job or if it doesn't meet their standards. YOUR idea of at-will UNemployment would allow those workers that employers fire for not working a free ride. That would be paying them to do nothing. And it would also allow people to quit their jobs because, hey, why work for money when you can get it for doing nothing. Which I'll say again, is a stupid concept.

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    ...

    Wouldn't the employment sector be better off, if they didn't have to hire less motivated or less efficient labor market participants, in the first place?

    ....
    Here is your question translated into Standard English:

    Q: Wouldn't an employer be better off if he didn't have to hire bums in the first place?

    A: Sometimes you don't know they are bums till after you hire them.

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    Here is your question translated into Standard English:

    Q: Wouldn't an employer be better off if he didn't have to hire bums in the first place?

    A: Sometimes you don't know they are bums till after you hire them.
    Thank you sj. And this again, is in favor of at-will employment which is something this guy can't seem to understand.

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