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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

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    The charging documents, citation, summons, etc. will have a code section on it ... a series of numbers and/or letters. It might be prefaced by MCL or MPC (Michigan Compiled Laws or Michigan Penal Code).

    - Carl
    Oh.
    Yeah, I never received any of that.

    I contacted an attorney after the incident.
    He told me as soon as I receive them papers to call him, pay the specified amount, and that he would go handle the situation and I would never have to appear in court, and that there is a good chance he could get the incident off my record.

    Besides that, I really don't know anything.

    What do the code numbers matter according to the case?
    Just so I'd know when I finally receive them.

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    The numbers will tell you what the specific offense is. This will tell your attorney what the elements of the offense are (what the state will have to prove to convict), and the potential punishment you might face for the offense. It may well be that your attorney expects this to be a very low level offense that won't have any long term repercussions ... but, no one will know that until the charges come down.

    - Carl

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    Bob something just came to mind. I am "quickly" going through post so I may have missed something. Were the Police called? You have no paperwork according to you yet you should at least have a citation! I am wondering if you paid $500.00 for something you havent even been charged for!? Thsi would explain why Attorney said you wont have to appear in court because theres no criminal case. Please explain what happened on the day you shoplifted from beginning to end.

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

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    Bob something just came to mind. I am "quickly" going through post so I may have missed something. Were the Police called? You have no paperwork according to you yet you should at least have a citation! I am wondering if you paid $500.00 for something you havent even been charged for!? Thsi would explain why Attorney said you wont have to appear in court because theres no criminal case. Please explain what happened on the day you shoplifted from beginning to end.

    I was caught shoplifting.
    Searched by LP's.
    Policce showed up.
    Filled out all the paperwork the stores make you do.
    Handcuffed, taken to jail.
    Waited.
    Finer-printed, etc.
    Paid bond right then and left.

    Nothing else has happened.
    I was merely consulting with the lawyer when he said the $500.
    No papers from the court have arrived yet.

    I did pay the amount to the store that I had to pay.
    Civil Demand, or whatever it is called.

    Is it really normal to wait this long?
    It seems odd to me.

    I have an over-active imagination,
    so I'm literally freaking myself out from over-examining the situation and the amount of time it's taking to get the papers.



    aside from that,
    while I'm waiting for these papers,
    should I be trying to get the plea bargain right now?
    Or can nothing happen until the papers are actually present?

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

    I would think the charges were on the booking and release papers. If you paid bail, you made the bail amount based upon a specific violation.

    - Carl

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

    Exactly Carl. bob you need to find those papers! that or ask your Attorney or even court your charge

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

    So I received my papers today, finally.
    In response to the thoughts previously...
    I don't see any numbers and/or letters, except for the case number.
    Are them the numbers you were refering to?

    And, if so, is there a way that I can find out what they even mean before I approach my lawyer about it?

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

    Well, in California you would see something about charges and then probably one of the following notations by itself or in combination with others:

    459 PC
    484 PC
    487 PC
    488 PC
    490.1 PC
    490.5 PC

    If not, ask your attorney as he should be able to find the statutes on the papers.

    - Carl

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    Default Re: Questions About Shoplifting Prosecutions

    hmmm.
    well nothing on the form looks like that at all.

    There is a "case number" : RE: ##-######-SM (with actual numbers, of course)

    and a number at the bottom of the page that says:

    " FORM: JIS104P"


    Nothing else besides the obvious.

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