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    Default Re: Legal Theory and Politics: At-Will Unemployment Compensation

    Aren't you dizzy yet? I surely am. You simply go around in circles.

    We do provide for the general welfare of the impoverished. We have WELFARE. Notice how there is a word in each of those sentences that is the same. It is the same one you continue to employ.

    Whether you want to call something "at will unemployment" or "welfare" or state aid of TANF or anything else, it is still welfare and it is still pay for not working. We already have that.

    If one is capable of working, they need to get off their asses and work. I will never agree to willingly pay somebody for simply deciding "they have better things to do". Well, so do I and to get to be able to do those things, I work so I get paid and can afford to do those things and they need to as well.

    Now where is the dramamine??????

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    I am not dizzy yet, but did notice that you didn't reply to any of the moral or ethical arguments I presented.

    I use "at-will" unemployment compensation in the same manner as at-will employment. It can be considered the inverse of at-will employment and does not deny or disparage the 9th Amendment right of individuals to create private social contracts (that may result in employment) in a manner of their own choosing.

    How does the current system protect individual liberties from government encroachment?

    Providing for the general Welfare is specifically enumerated in our US Constitution.

    How does the current system provide for the general Welfare of people who may experience frictional unemployment?

    An at-will unemployment compensation scheme would ameliorate the effects of frictional unemployment. Guaranteeing some form of income would enable to the private insurance sector to provide complementary products and could help create jobs in that sector.

    What ethical or moral standard allows you to justify continuing third world economic policies in a first world economy?

    Why do you think it is better to subsidize the parent of revolution and crime (i.e. poverty, for free), when we could be creating more efficient markets that can improve the standard of living of all market participants, in our socialist, first world economy?

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    How does the current system protect individual liberties from government encroachment?
    You have got to be kidding. Our liberties are written within the constitution and if they are encroached, there are legal remedies.

    Providing for the general Welfare is specifically enumerated in our US Constitution.
    Yep, and we have welfare already. Mkae up your mind. In the first statement above, you infer that your system would eliminate government intrusion into our lives. The only way that will happen is that your system is a private one. Now you wnat the government to pick up the tab for your ideas. Which is it??

    How does the current system provide for the general Welfare of people who may experience frictional unemployment?
    Oh, there goes that dizzy thing again.

    An at-will unemployment compensation scheme would ameliorate the effects of frictional unemployment.
    That is what unemploynent insurance is for.

    Guaranteeing some form of income would enable to the private insurance sector to provide complementary products and could help create jobs in that sector.
    BS. Guaranteeing some form of income woudl guarantee a lot of lazy folks continuing to be lazy.



    Why do you think it is better to subsidize the parent of revolution and crime (i.e. poverty, for free), when we could be creating more efficient markets that can improve the standard of living of all market participants, in our socialist, first world economy?
    Here is a definition of socialism:

    the theory or system of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society rather than by private individuals, with all members of the community coerced to share in the work and the products. In Marxism, the transition phase between capitalism and communism, defined as "abolition of private property."
    You are claiming we have a socialist society? Not hardly. How about capitolist.

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    You have got to be kidding. Our liberties are written within the constitution and if they are encroached, there are legal remedies.

    Yep, and we have welfare already. Mkae up your mind. In the first statement above, you infer that your system would eliminate government intrusion into our lives. The only way that will happen is that your system is a private one. Now you wnat the government to pick up the tab for your ideas. Which is it??

    Oh, there goes that dizzy thing again.

    That is what unemploynent insurance is for.

    BS. Guaranteeing some form of income woudl guarantee a lot of lazy folks continuing to be lazy.



    Here is a definition of socialism:

    You are claiming we have a socialist society? Not hardly. How about capitolist.
    I am not kidding. How much money can a lawyer make, if his client does not have recourse to an income? In referring to the 9A, how are private social contracts (that may result in employment) enforced by our current system? What we have now is government intrusion (and politically induced economic inefficiencies) in private social transactions in regards to employment. From one perspective, individuals in at-will employment states are being denied and disparaged in their right to create and dissolve private social contracts (that may result in employment) an a manner consistent with at-will forms of employment.

    It depends on the level of intrusion by the public sector. Do you consider, welfare as we currently know it, more intrusive than forms of unemployment insurance? Can people simply apply for, welfare as we currently know it, over the phone or by internet like it is possible for unemployment insurance; or is it much more expensive to apply for current forms of welfare?

    Which program has the potential to reduce public and private sector costs, and ameliorate frictional unemployment and forms of poverty that arise due to a simple lack of income?

    People are going to be lazy, if that is their nature. Why not subsidize people who would prefer to be couch potatoes so the rest of us can get better paying jobs by not having to compete with them?

    As regards to socialism and first world economies; they wouldn't exist without socialism.

    You are probably using the political science understanding of socialism. I am presenting a socioeconomic perspective. Consider our first world socialist military. It would not exist under truer forms of capitalism. Even a cartel of the richest capitalists in the US would probably not be able to afford, or care to waste their money on a venture that cannot guarantee any profit.

    Our socialized "wars" on drugs and terrorism would, also, not exist but for the forms of socialism employed in our first world economy.

    Third world economies can be considered truer forms of capitalist economies.

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    You have got to be kidding. Our liberties are written within the constitution and if they are encroached, there are legal remedies.

    Yep, and we have welfare already. Mkae up your mind. In the first statement above, you infer that your system would eliminate government intrusion into our lives. The only way that will happen is that your system is a private one. Now you wnat the government to pick up the tab for your ideas. Which is it??

    Oh, there goes that dizzy thing again.

    That is what unemploynent insurance is for.

    BS. Guaranteeing some form of income woudl guarantee a lot of lazy folks continuing to be lazy.



    Here is a definition of socialism:

    You are claiming we have a socialist society? Not hardly. How about capitolist.
    I am not kidding. How much money can a lawyer make, if his client does not have recourse to an income? In referring to the 9A, how are private social contracts (that may result in employment) enforced by our current system? What we have now is government intrusion (and politically induced economic inefficiencies) in private social transactions in regards to employment. From one perspective, individuals in at-will employment states are being denied and disparaged in their right to create and dissolve private social contracts (that may result in employment) an a manner consistent with at-will forms of employment.

    It depends on the level of intrusion by the public sector. Do you consider, welfare as we currently know it, more intrusive than forms of unemployment insurance? Can people simply apply for, welfare as we currently know it, over the phone or by internet like it is possible for unemployment insurance; or is it much more expensive to apply for current forms of welfare?

    Which program has the potential to reduce public and private sector costs, and ameliorate frictional unemployment and forms of poverty that arise due to a simple lack of income?

    People are going to be lazy, if that is their nature. Why not subsidize people who would prefer to be couch potatoes so the rest of us can get better paying jobs by not having to compete with them?

    As regards to socialism and first world economies; they wouldn't exist without socialism.

    You are probably using the political science understanding of socialism. I am presenting a socioeconomic perspective. Consider our first world socialist military. It would not exist under truer forms of capitalism. Even a cartel of the richest capitalists in the US would probably not be able to afford, or care to waste their money on a venture that cannot guarantee any profit.

    Our socialized "wars" on drugs and terrorism would, also, not exist but for the forms of socialism employed in our first world economy.

    Third world economies can be considered truer forms of capitalist economies.

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    People are going to be lazy, if that is their nature. Why not subsidize people who would prefer to be couch potatoes so the rest of us can get better paying jobs by not having to compete with them?

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    you just don't get it.

    If I hire a person and then find somebody that is better at whatever, I fire the first person and hire the second person. So how is the lesser skilled person taking a job that a more skilled person wants? They aren't.

    If people are going to be lazy, let them be lazy with their own money, not mine.

    If they want to eat, they will work, in some fashion, to earn the abaility to purchase food.

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    People are going to be lazy, if that is their nature. Why not subsidize people who would prefer to be couch potatoes so the rest of us can get better paying jobs by not having to compete with them?

    .
    you just don't get it.

    If I hire a person and then find somebody that is better at whatever, I fire the first person and hire the second person. So how is the lesser skilled person taking a job that a more skilled person wants? They aren't.

    If people are going to be lazy, let them be lazy with their own money, not mine.

    If they want to eat, they will work, in some fashion, to earn the abaility to purchase food.

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    If people are going to be lazy, let them be lazy with their own money, not mine.
    To assume that all individuals with less skills are lazy is rather arrogant and suggests a lack of understanding of the economic and societal forces at play.

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    If people are going to be lazy, let them be lazy with their own money, not mine.
    To assume that all individuals with less skills are lazy is rather arrogant and suggests a lack of understanding of the economic and societal forces at play.

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    To assume that all individuals with less skills are lazy is rather arrogant and suggests a lack of understanding of the economic and societal forces at play.
    I never said that. I was referring to those that CHOOSE to not work. That is what this entire thread is about.

    Daniela wants to pay everyboty to not work. I disagree.

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