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    I will venture to say that I have far more life experience with Blacks and Hispanics than you do.
    LOL, yet another example of you assuming things without any real facts.


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    So for you to say that Whites thought OJ was guilty because he was Black is preposterous.
    Again, you misstate what I said. I said that some White people predisposed to think he was guilty before they heard any evidence because he was Black. And that statement is true because I had White people tell me just that.

    I'm not going to change your mind on that trial; most people have rather strong opinions on it even though many of them never even watched the actual trial. You're not going to change my mind either. I watched the trial and while OJ may indeed have committed those murders, I cant say the prosecution did a stellar job proving it. And that's the problem here. I don't think the problem was the jury. I think it was the prosecution.

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    I did notice that you did not respond to my statement about 75% of Whites and Blacks. Are you finally left without a response?

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    LOL, yet another example of you assuming things without any real facts.
    I can assume what I want just as you can and do. And, I'd like to know if you have as much or more exposure to low, middle and upper income Blacks and Hispanics than I do? With my job of spending large amounts of time in people's homes, I can hardly see how any white-collar worker could compare. So, let's hear it. Bet you can't and won't.

    Oh, you found that word "compare." Go after that instead of the bigger picture of what I am saying.

    Again, you misstate what I said. I said that some White people predisposed to think he was guilty before they heard any evidence because he was Black. And that statement is true because I had White people tell me just that.
    Ya, and some White people are murders and pedophiles...but they do not speak for the majority of Whites.

    I'm not going to change your mind on that trial; most people have rather strong opinions on it even though many of them never even watched the actual trial. You're not going to change my mind either. I watched the trial and while OJ may indeed have committed those murders, I cant say the prosecution did a stellar job proving it. And that's the problem here. I don't think the problem was the jury. I think it was the prosecution.
    Well, I worked nights during the trial and I watched much of it too. You seem to be enamored by the skill of the Dream Team when I could see who they were speaking to. So answer this, if the prosecution did such a terrible job, how did they convince 75% of Whites? And probably all other ethnicities (except Blacks) too?

    Who in the heck thought that OJ was not guilty after that trial? You? I doubt it! Because if the jury wanted him to be guilty, they could find him guilty regardless of the Cochran dance. I believe the jury could disregard all evidence and judge him on what their heart told them.

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    I did notice that you did not respond to my statement about 75% of Whites and Blacks. Are you finally left without a response?
    Let's see, respond to a statement containing statistics that you haven't backed up and that you likely made up? No, not worth responding to made up statistics. It may surprise you to learn that I don't accept you as a reliable source for such unverified information.

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    I can assume what I want just as you can and do.
    Clearly you do assume whatever you want, even when you lack any real facts to support it.

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    And, I'd like to know if you have as much or more exposure to low, middle and upper income Blacks and Hispanics than I do? With my job of spending large amounts of time in people's homes, I can hardly see how any white-collar worker could compare. So, let's hear it. Bet you can't and won't.
    Oh, I figured you would double down on that and I'm not disappointed. Can I say for sure whether I've had more exposure to Blacks and Hispanics than you? No, nor can you say that of me since we really don't have enough information to determine that. But I'll tell you this. I lived and worked most of the last 30 years in the Philadelphia area and Washington DC. Philly has a population is that about 45% Black, 38% White, and 15% Latino. DC is similar, about 46% Black, 46% White, and 11% Hispanic. I started my career working for the federal government and half my co-workers were Black and some Hispanic, and some of those minority co-workers I became good friends with. Hung out after work with them, had dinner with them, attended funerals, weddings, and other major life events with them. I had doctors and dentists and other professionals I hired who were minorities. A number of shops, restaurants, and bars in my neighborhoods that I frequented were owned by minorities and had minority staff. A lot of the cops, city government workers, etc I met were Black. Met and made friends with minority attorneys through the bar association. And of course I've had minority clients, too. Probably half the people I interacted with most days while living in Philly and DC were minorities. And although I moved out of DC a couple years ago, I still maintain my connections to many of the friends I met in Philly and DC. How does that compare to your interactions? Have I had more hours interacting with minorities than you? No idea. We don't have time sheets to compare that :-) And it really doesn't matter since this board isn't about who has logged the most hours chatting with minorities. Moreover, the amount of time spent doesn't tell you the quality of the interactions.

    But your post shows you jumped to a conclusion that you not only had more experience with Blacks and Hispanics than I do but that you had FAR more such experience when you had absolutely no idea at the time you wrote it NONE what my experience was. You decided to assume it anyway. And that points one of your biggest problems on these boards, which I've pointed out before: you don't seem to know what you don't know and thus pull out statements and conclusions that are based on little or nothing. And then when you get challenged on that you won't admit that you just spouted off based on some assumption that had no support behind it. I doubt you'll admit that here either, despite it being very apparent.


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    So answer this, if the prosecution did such a terrible job, how did they convince 75% of Whites?
    Even assuming your 75% statistic is accurate (and as I said before, I have no reason to believe that you are a good source for that information) I can say with certainty that nowhere close to 100% of white people watched the entire trial. Those that didn't watch at least most of it don't have the information they'd need to really conclude if, based on the trial evidence alone, he would be guilty. Bear in mind, that's all the jury was looking at: what was presented during the trial. So how did all those White people who didn't see the trial conclude he was guilty? If you don't think race is a factor in those opinions I would say you are perhaps not as attuned to racial issues as you like to think you are.

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    White people were more predisposed to think him guilty because he's black. Black people were more likely to think him innocent because their experience is that the justice system railroads Black persons.
    If you really stand behind these two statements then we are miles apart and you have worn me out.

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    If you really stand behind these two statements then we are miles apart and you have worn me out.
    I do stand behind those two statements. And your position seems to be that Black people were willing to exercise racial bias and let off one of their own even though they thought him guilty too and that White people evidently had no racial bias at all in their view of the trial. In other words, your position seems to be that a lot of Black people were racist in their view of the case but most White people were not. If that's true, then IMO you were not really tuned into the racial dynamics of this country at the time — you'd be blind to the racial bias a number of White people still had — and we would indeed be very far apart on that. And while things have improved a little, there is still a long way to go. In any event, probably not worth trying to bridge that divide between how we view race relations in the country because I doubt either of us will change the other's mind.

    And I see I was correct — you aren't willing to own to up making an assumption about my experiences when you had absolutely NO information about them.

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    I do stand behind those two statements. And your position seems to be that Black people were willing to exercise racial bias and let off one of their own even though they thought him guilty too and that White people evidently had no racial bias at all in their view of the trial. In other words, your position seems to be that a lot of Black people were racist in their view of the case but most White people were not. If that's true, then IMO you were not really tuned into the racial dynamics of this country at the time you'd be blind to the racial bias a number of White people still had and we would indeed be very far apart on that. And while things have improved a little, there is still a long way to go. In any event, probably not worth trying to bridge that divide between how we view race relations in the country because I doubt either of us will change the other's mind.

    And I see I was correct you aren't willing to own to up making an assumption about my experiences when you had absolutely NO information about them.
    I will make a retraction. You speak as though you've had a very, very limited exposure to Blacks and Hispanics of varying income levels... sounding like you get your views from The 6 O'clock News. And yes, it is a bridge way too big for me to attempt to cross.

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    I will make a retraction. You speak as though you've had a very, very limited exposure to Blacks and Hispanics of varying income levels... sounding like you get your views from The 6 O'clock News. And yes, it is a bridge way too big for me to attempt to cross.
    I'm not seeing the retraction. And if your impression is that I've had "very, very limited exposure to Blacks and Hispanics of varying income levels" then (a) you didn't read what I wrote very closely and (b) clearly don't have a clue as to what my experiences with Blacks, Hispanics and other minorities has been. Yet you assume you know because you once again want so badly to beat the lawyer in the room. I don't assume to know what your experiences with others are. You ought not assume mine.

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    Just got my MRI results back.

    Torn MCL
    Bruised Femur

    Just emailed the lawyer, waiting a follow up appointment with the Ortho to see it I'll just need PT or if I may need surgery.

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