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    As most of your fear mongering, anti-societal posts, that is totally wrong! They cost about $200-$300.

    I know this because I have hired them. Have you?
    As a note, the retainer is not the fee. The retainer is an advance payment against the fees that the lawyer charges. That gets put in the lawyer's client trust account. So it may be that the lawyer would ask for a $1,500 retainer but if the actual fees end up being less than that the client gets back the difference. As fees are charged and the retainer is used up, the lawyer typically will typically have the client replenish the retainer. So, for example, you start with a $1,500 retainer. The lawyer does $500 worth of work, takes that money from the trust account to the law firm account and the retainer balance is now $1,000. If the matter is over, the client gets that $1,000 back. If there is more work to be done, the lawyer bills out the $500 to have the client replenish the trust account back to $1,500 and that continues until the matter is concluded.

    For some simple traffic matters, a lawyer might just charge a flat fee for it rather than billing by the hour. Either way, some traffic matters may indeed be resolved with a lawyer fee of just a couple hundred dollars.


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    But talking to a traffic ticket attorney is free. And, I know from experience that they can do amazing things.
    That may be the first positive thing you've said about lawyers in this forum. Given that you generally demonize lawyers it's refreshing to see.

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    Maybe I'll look into self representation. Pro Se.

    1. Defer the court date to reduce chances officer shows
    2. First time offender. Literally zero infractions in over 10 years
    3. COVID-19, riots, and I'm an essential worker making barely over minimum wage.
    The truth is the court system is heavily stacked against you, even if you were going 35mph in a 35mph zone. The officer will show up in his fancy uniform and walk all over you because he has done it hundreds of times. They are trained how to defeat you. It's all a game to them.

    The best you could do in court is to have the fine reduced or to be put on a payment plan.

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    That may be the first positive thing you've said about lawyers in this forum. Given that you generally demonize lawyers it's refreshing to see.
    'Positive' is a subject term. Did Johnny Cochran do a good thing or a bad thing in the eyes of another lawyer?

    See? Lawyers are not just positive or negative. What they do is far too complex to be put in such simple terms.

    BTW - My traffic lawyer got me off when I was 100% guilty. Though 'amazing,' was that a good thing or a bad thing?

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    You'd think a person in that financial position would assiduously follow the law by not speeding and always wearing his/her seatbelt.
    This statement lacks circumstantial knowledge.

    1. The country is experiencing the greatest economic contraction in GDP since The Great Depression
    2. This had made supply of jobs really, really low
    3. Demand for jobs will increase when the $600 pandemic payments expire in July
    4. Given 1-3, I am doing my best to maintain my good standing at my job. Production quota doubled. Good standing requires 68 vehicle stops per 6 hour shift. Just do the math, and you can see why I was speeding.
    5. The risk of speeding outweighed the risk of being homeless.
    6. Please, I know the argument. Get a new job. If only it was that easy. And yes, I am actively looking.

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    This statement lacks circumstantial knowledge.

    1. The country is experiencing the greatest economic contraction in GDP since The Great Depression
    2. This had made supply of jobs really, really low
    3. Demand for jobs will increase when the $600 pandemic payments expire in July
    4. Given 1-3, I am doing my best to maintain my good standing at my job. Production quota doubled. Good standing requires 68 vehicle stops per 6 hour shift. Just do the math, and you can see why I was speeding.
    5. The risk of speeding outweighed the risk of being homeless.
    6. Please, I know the argument. Get a new job. If only it was that easy. And yes, I am actively looking.
    Don't bother explaining anything to this guy. He comes here to harass people.

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    BTW - My traffic lawyer got me off when I was 100% guilty. Though 'amazing,' was that a good thing or a bad thing?
    A good thing. It means that clearly (1) the lawyer did a good job for you and that (2) the state couldn't meet its burden of proving you guilty. Even the guilty have the right to have the state prove their guilt, and if the state can't do it, the guilty person is free to go. Our system was set up on the premise that it's better to have a system in which a guilty person might go free than it is that an innocent person be punished for something he did not do. Your result reflects that premise. Obviously we still end up convicting some innocent persons in our system anyway, but less innocent persons are convicted than would be the case if the rules made it even easier for the state.

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    This statement lacks circumstantial knowledge.

    1. The country is experiencing the greatest economic contraction in GDP since The Great Depression
    2. This had made supply of jobs really, really low
    3. Demand for jobs will increase when the $600 pandemic payments expire in July
    4. Given 1-3, I am doing my best to maintain my good standing at my job. Production quota doubled. Good standing requires 68 vehicle stops per 6 hour shift. Just do the math, and you can see why I was speeding.
    5. The risk of speeding outweighed the risk of being homeless.
    6. Please, I know the argument. Get a new job. If only it was that easy. And yes, I am actively looking.
    I have plenty of circumstantial knowledge, and your retort is largely irrelevant. The only thing I find relevant is the statement that you knowingly took a risk, which means you can't credibly complain too much. It also means you have no defense to what you've been charged with.

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    Don't bother explaining anything to this guy. He comes here to harass people.
    Thanks. Already put him/her on ignore.

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    This statement lacks circumstantial knowledge.

    1. The country is experiencing the greatest economic contraction in GDP since The Great Depression
    2. This had made supply of jobs really, really low
    3. Demand for jobs will increase when the $600 pandemic payments expire in July
    4. Given 1-3, I am doing my best to maintain my good standing at my job. Production quota doubled. Good standing requires 68 vehicle stops per 6 hour shift. Just do the math, and you can see why I was speeding.
    5. The risk of speeding outweighed the risk of being homeless.
    6. Please, I know the argument. Get a new job. If only it was that easy. And yes, I am actively looking.
    Alas, none of these conditions is relevant to your receiving a traffic ticket. Not. One.

    As to your earlier post regarding being an "essential worker" Well, so what? Do you think that earns you a pat on the back? a break from complying with the rules in the performance of your tasks?

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    Default Re: NYC Speeding Ticket and No Seat Belt Tickets. Both Lack Drivers License

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    I have plenty of circumstantial knowledge, and your retort is largely irrelevant. The only thing I find relevant is the statement that you knowingly took a risk, which means you can't credibly complain too much. It also means you have no defense to what you've been charged with.
    ...The famous last words of nearly everyone here.

    So now you have the 'circumstantial knowledge' of a lawyer who specializes in traffic cases? You wouldn't know of a defense if it hit you in the head. It's just not how your people-hating brain works.

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    Alas, none of these conditions is relevant to your receiving a traffic ticket.
    I disagree! They are very relevant if the OP is asking for a fine reduction, a payment plan or traffic school.

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    Chances are you're not going anywhere near a court. Most NY tickets are handled now b y the Traffic Violations Bureau, an administrative office of the DMV.

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