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    Default Re: Can a Business for Any Reason Give Out My Ssn Number

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    You can't post someones public information on the internet. That is against the law.
    Actually, there is no federal law that broadly prohibits that, and to my knowledge no state does either. Many Americans seem to think that their personal information is more protected under the law than it actually is. Of course laws that restrict certain kinds of disclosures (e.g. laws that prohibit medical facilities and health insurers from disclosing protected health information, laws that restrict financial institutions from making certain disclosures about customers) would apply to those disclosures being made on the internet just as they would to disclosures in other forms. In some circumstances you might be subject to civil liability for posting information on the internet that you have about someone, but that generally requires that you have a duty in the law to keep that information private in the first place. In a lot of contexts that duty does not exist and in those circumstances you are free to share the information you have. The privacy laws in this country are very much a patchwork of laws that apply in specific circumstances, so it can make it difficult to know what is protected and what is not. If you're not sure whether the disclosure you want to make is protected by some law then the prudent course of action is to not disclose it until you are sure.

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    Email's that have disclosures at the bottom can't be forwarded to other people without authorization.
    Just because an e-mail has a statement like that does not necessarily obligate the recipient to keep the e-mail private. The details of the e-mail and the relationship between the sender and recipient matter. A lot of law firms smack a confidentiality statement on all the e-mails they send as a matter of practice but just because that statement is there may not obligate the recipient to honor that. Those details I mentioned matter.

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    Default Re: Can a Business for Any Reason Give Out My Ssn Number

    I dug a little deeper and found some USCS laws, federal laws I believe, that do prohibit these things but with exceptions. They are not broad, but specific. Posting anyone's identity, full name, etc, if they are under 18, is prohibited under federal law. Posting anyones information on the internet to cause harm, then there's cyberbullying, harassment, fall under similar categories of the USCS that does make it a crime to do such things.

    Emails I'm not sure about, I skimmed quickly, but couldn't find anything specific enough.

    So perhaps no law or broad law exists in my case with DCS since they their intent was not to cause personal harm (where I see it as somewhat similar to Identity Theft).

    You need IBM's artificial intelligence big blue computer to even keep track of all this stuff to even know what is and is not a law, specific or broad. There's just too much

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    Well, given that TM is a lawyer, I'm sure he's perfectly capable of keeping track of all this stuff.

    Are you now saying that DCS posted your SSN etc. on the internet?

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    Well, given that TM is a lawyer, I'm sure he's perfectly capable of keeping track of all this stuff.

    Are you now saying that DCS posted your SSN etc. on the internet?
    Has TM given you authorization to tell everyone reading this thread that he is a lawyer, and a male?

    No human could keep track of every law, that is why I mentioned IBM computing and AI. Maybe a group of lawyers. But anyway. TM's responses were helpful, most likely because of his education and degree in law.

    DCS used the internet to obtain my information from social media accounts, without verifying the actual identity of the person(s) they found.

    Did I ever say DCS posted my information on the internet?

    Have you considered working for MSM, such as CNN or NBC?

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    So perhaps no law or broad law exists in my case with DCS since they their intent was not to cause personal harm (where I see it as somewhat similar to Identity Theft).
    No, it's not identity theft. The state is not pretending to be you to commit some kind of fraud or other crime. Rather, what you fear is that the business receiving the garnishment order might somehow misuse it after it gets the order or might be careless in safeguarding your information which would allow someone to commit identity theft. If that were to happen you'd have a remedy against that business. But until then you've not suffered any harm from this and thus have nothing for which to sue. You cannot successfully sue for what might happen in the future.

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    You need IBM's artificial intelligence big blue computer to even keep track of all this stuff to even know what is and is not a law, specific or broad. There's just too much
    You don't need that. What you do is consult a lawyer who practices in the area of privacy law (or whatever area of law you need help with). That's one of the things lawyers are there for.

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    No, it's not identity theft. The state is not pretending to be you to commit some kind of fraud or other crime. Rather, what you fear is that the business receiving the garnishment order might somehow misuse it after it gets the order or might be careless in safeguarding your information which would allow someone to commit identity theft. If that were to happen you'd have a remedy against that business. But until then you've not suffered any harm from this and thus have nothing for which to sue. You cannot successfully sue for what might happen in the future.

    Right. That's how I see it. Since this is sensitive information, there is potential for abuse, fraud, etc after being received by the wrong businesses, people, so I relate it to that, or rather, a form of identity theft. I most likely couldn't blame DCS unless I can find some other law that would put the blame on them for furnishing it to the wrong people. Ho hum.

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    Right. That's how I see it. Since this is sensitive information, there is potential for abuse, fraud, etc after being received by the wrong businesses, people, so I relate it to that, or rather, a form of identity theft. I most likely couldn't blame DCS unless I can find some other law that would put the blame on them for furnishing it to the wrong people. Ho hum.
    DCS did nothing wrong. They were investigating where you worked so they could send a garnishment order to your employer. You posted on social where you were employed and they found that post. They took the post as being true and sent the relevant information to that employer. They didn't have to investigate if your post was true or false.

    DCS is a state agency and their employees work for the state government. Under Washington law, these employees have qualified immunity from civil suit for doing their jobs according to law. It is only when an employee violates the law and/or is guilty of gross negligence in their duties that they can lose that immunity.


    RCW 9.46.212


    Officers designated with police powers authorized to take action to prevent physical injury to person or substantial damage to property—Immunity from civil liability—Exception.


    When physical injury to a person or substantial damage to property occurs, or is about to occur, within the presence of an officer of the commission designated with police powers pursuant to RCW 9.46.210, the designated officer is authorized to take such action as is reasonably necessary to prevent physical injury to a person or substantial damage to property or prevent further injury to a person or further substantial damage to property. A designated officer shall be immune from civil liability for damages arising out of the action of the designated officer to prevent physical injury to a person or substantial damage to property or prevent further injury to a person or further substantial damage to property, unless it is shown that the designated officer acted with gross negligence or bad faith.

    [ 2017 c 111 1.]
    The state and its agencies have sovereign immunity from civil suit through the state tort claims act.

    So you can continue to think that you can hold DCS accountable but, as they say, you are peeing up-wind.

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    A washington state agency has submitted my identity credientials, including ssn, and other things, to businesses in Washington and other states.

    Can they legally do this?
    Putting aside the fact that anything that has been done can be done, and assuming your intent was to inquire about the legality of what happened, the answer depends on what agency did this, what businesses the information was submitted to, and why it was done. It is certainly legal for DCS to do this with a company that you have publicly declared to be your employer.

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    Putting aside the fact that anything that has been done can be done, and assuming your intent was to inquire about the legality of what happened, the answer depends on what agency did this, what businesses the information was submitted to, and why it was done. It is certainly legal for DCS to do this with a company that you have publicly declared to be your employer.
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