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    Thanks for the information. I am an employee, one of about 750 sales representatives. The company has no offices here in California. My office is in my home and does qualify as a home office for my taxes. I read that any sales call milage is deductible even to/from my home office.

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    I think that if you were self-employed that the mileage would be deductible on your tax return. But that is not what you are speaking of. This is company police for whatever reason. I could guess that it has to do with depreciation or some tax related purpose for the company.

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    I guess whether or not the trip to and from the home office is up to them to decide if they can write off it off or chalk it up to personal use of the vehicle. What really gets me is that they tell everyone that they have to report 20% personal use which causes everyone falsify their logs. Imagine the rep in the midwest that drives 500 miles to their client appointment then another 200 to the next one. Then they stay in a hotel and drive another 800 miles the next day with another couple appointments on the way back. How are they going to book 20% of those miles as personal use? Yet Soccer Mom Rep who drops kids off at two different schools then goes to the gym before the client visit is using 40% personal use. Kind of a socialist policy. Ready to change jobs but first I am going to send a letter to the Board of Directors.....

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    There is nothing Socialist about it. At all. You are not supplementing the soccer mom.

    It's simple: log your trip to and from home (office or not) as personal. It's not falsifying.
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    If I drive 2,000 miles and am recording accurately and only 7% of that 2,000 is personal use and they take $120 from my monthly pay, and they take the same amount from another Rep that drives 1,700 miles with 30% personal use, I am subsidizing their personal use. Don't know what else to call it. They tell me not (and I have it in writing) to report actual personal use miles but to make sure that it is at least 20%. It creates a huge burden on the rep to fabricate personal use that fits into the reports within the actual odometer readings on the vehicle.

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    Or they are charging you $120/month for a car that you are free to use more than you use.

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    If I drive 2,000 miles and am recording accurately and only 7% of that 2,000 is personal use and they take $120 from my monthly pay, and they take the same amount from another Rep that drives 1,700 miles with 30% personal use, I am subsidizing their personal use. Don't know what else to call it. They tell me not (and I have it in writing) to report actual personal use miles but to make sure that it is at least 20%. It creates a huge burden on the rep to fabricate personal use that fits into the reports within the actual odometer readings on the vehicle.
    The IRS says that if a company owns or leases more than 5 cars they must use the actual expense method to determine deductions and depreciation. So I'm not sure why they are doing what they are doing. Perhaps they are not offsetting the expenses by the money you pay for the use of the car.

    What does your pay stub say about the deduction of the $120.00? Is that reportable as income?

    https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc510

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    If I drive 2,000 miles and am recording accurately and only 7% of that 2,000 is personal use and they take $120 from my monthly pay, and they take the same amount from another Rep that drives 1,700 miles with 30% personal use, I am subsidizing their personal use. Don't know what else to call it. They tell me not (and I have it in writing) to report actual personal use miles but to make sure that it is at least 20%. It creates a huge burden on the rep to fabricate personal use that fits into the reports within the actual odometer readings on the vehicle.
    That's not a subsidy. You aren't paying into a pool, you're being charged a fee for the use of company equipment for personal use and they assume a certain amount of personal use. That you choose to not make more use of the vehicle is on you.

    If you don't like the policies of your employer you are certainly free to leave. Until you do you have to comply with their policies as long as they are not illegal. What you're describing is not illegal.
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    , you're being charged a fee for the use of company equipment for personal use and they assume a certain amount of personal use.

    If you don't like the policies of your employer you are certainly free to leave. Until you do you have to comply with their policies as long as they are not illegal. What you're describing is not illegal.
    So according to you if a company assumed 50% (or more) personal usage, that would be fine and dandy? Why not 66% personal usage? 24 hours in a day, employee works 8 hours, car sits on driveway for 16 hours in employee's possession. Damn the mileage.

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    So according to you if a company assumed 50% (or more) personal usage, that would be fine and dandy? Why not 66% personal usage? 24 hours in a day, employee works 8 hours, car sits on driveway for 16 hours in employee's possession. Damn the mileage.
    Do you have a point to this?
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