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    Default 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Georgia

    My son is 16 years old, worked all summer & spent his money to paint & restore a truck to drive to school. Last Tuesday he was in class & two deputies came & escorted him outside. When they walked out of school he could see the drug dog & two other deputies going thru his truck.
    The police said the dog "Alerted" to his truck. It wasn't locked so they opened it up & proceeded their search & constantly asking him where the drugs were & that they Knew he is dealing on school property.. They broke door panels, Air vents & numerus scratches & 2 chips as big as a quarter on a $3500 paint job that is not 3 weeks old that he worked HARD for.
    No one seen the dog "ALERT" & no one observed the search..... & No DRUGS were found..
    The School Board refuses to pay any damages telling us that We Can Not prove deputies done it.
    Board said Cameras in parking area were not working that day & deputies just happened to not be wearing their body Cams.

    To Drive on School property my Son signed a paper acknowledging "Automobiles may be subject to a search if probable cause".

    I Drug tested him that Day & he was "CLEAN", he is an Honor Student 98-100 grades & never misses Days

    Do we have the right to observe dog "Alerting" to truck"?
    Can a search be done without notifying the driver or Owner?
    Can a Search be done without driver or owner present?

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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

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    Do we have the right to observe dog "Alerting" to truck"?
    No.

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    Can a search be done without notifying the driver or Owner?
    Yes.

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    Can a Search be done without driver or owner present?
    Yes.


    Sorry, but since the dog sniffed an alert it was probable cause even if it was in error.

    I have no idea if you can seek damages from the sheriff or police. Talk to an attorney.

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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

    Thanks, a few friends said this country was going to Socialism but nope its worse.
    It used to be The Union protected the teachers & the local school board protected the kids & parents Rights.

    I can Clearly See I Have Outlived my Country "The Home of The Free" that so many Brave men Died For.
    I have never waived my Rights to obtain anything, I own a "Georgia" passport but gave Their Drivers License back when they refused to Print my Name in proper Christian manner.
    Out of 10 stops in last 15 years I have been ticketed once & judge thru it out after I mailed him a letter.
    I recon I might as well go out back and dig me Hole as I Refuse to Live & Breath in the Totalitarian Communist Country our elected are ushering in.

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    Thanks, a few friends said this country was going to Socialism but nope its worse.
    It used to be The Union protected the teachers & the local school board protected the kids & parents Rights.

    I can Clearly See I Have Outlived my Country "The Home of The Free" that so many Brave men Died For.
    I have never waived my Rights to obtain anything, I own a "Georgia" passport but gave Their Drivers License back when they refused to Print my Name in proper Christian manner.
    Out of 10 stops in last 15 years I have been ticketed once & judge thru it out after I mailed him a letter.
    I recon I might as well go out back and dig me Hole as I Refuse to Live & Breath in the Totalitarian Communist Country our elected are ushering in.
    If you think the current administration is Communist or Socialist then you've got another thing coming.
    "Where do those stairs go?"
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    I can Clearly See I Have Outlived my Country

    Leave.

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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

    who did he buy the truck from? Or where did he get it? Did your son change out or restore the upholstery? I have to wonder if there wasn't a lingering smell that the dog "hit" on.

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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

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    I can Clearly See I Have Outlived my Country "The Home of The Free" that so many Brave men Died For.
    As far as dog sniffs and PC under the 4th AM, for one to believe this is such an egregious privacy violation as to declare the US Communist ruled, I don't see that. Evidently, the GA Constitution's parallel to the 4th's unreasonable search clause permits it too. Since the 4th was made applicable to the States in 1949, the USSC has had to decide many Hundreds of 4th AM cases. It's not reasonable to believe every citizen or legal scholar can agree with every decision handed down.


    I own a "Georgia" passport but gave Their Drivers License back when they refused to Print my Name in proper Christian manner.
    What kind of print or type is NON christian as opposed to being christian? Very curious to know!

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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

    I'm curious what a Georgia passport looks like and who issues such a thing? Certainly not a state government institution.

    Sounds like a Sovereign Citizen sort of thing.
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    Default Re: 16 Year Old 4th Violated and Damage Done

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    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Georgia


    The School Board refuses to pay any damages telling us that We Can Not prove deputies done it.
    Board said Cameras in parking area were not working that day & deputies just happened to not be wearing their body Cams.
    Since the school board isn't denying that they would be liable for the damage if you could prove the deputies did it you should probably try to do that in a civil lawsuit where all it takes is a preponderance of the evidence.

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    Since the school board isn't denying that they would be liable for the damage if you could prove the deputies did it you should probably try to do that in a civil lawsuit where all it takes is a preponderance of the evidence.
    The CBP can tear apart your car at a border crossing and hand you the parts if that's what they need to do. I've seen that first hand. You'd be hard pressed to say that anyone owes anything if the search was executed lawfully and I struggle to see how the school boards would be liable for a police search.
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