Judge Clay is talking about when a traffic survey is necessary [pursuant to the legal definition of a speed trap when radar/LIDAR is used, 40802 (a) (2)], the law I posted and have been talking about this entire time.

Very few roads in California are "local roads" per the legal definition in the code. I would bet over 90% of roads in CA posted as "SENIOR" are not local roads. If it is a local road per the very clear definition its obvious that the anti speed trap laws would not apply.

That being said this question and thread has nothing to do with local roads. The question of this thread was whether or not a senior zone (obviously not also otherwise a school zone or local road) was subject to the anti speed trap laws of California. Specifically the laws involving radar/LIDAR.

The answer is; No, a senior zone is not subject to the anti speed trap laws when radar/LIDAR is used because the definition of a speed trap when radar/LIDAR is used, 40802(a)(2), only applies to prima facie limits that were established/provided by either 22352b1, 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3. Senior zone limits are not, they are established by 22352b3, therefore the anti speed trap laws do not apply.