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    Default Re: If Trump Directs Mcgahn to Fire Mueller, is That Really Obstruction

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    This was your statement.
    i never said nor suggested it would be.
    You did, and I note that as I composed my post you added to your response probably knowing I'd zero in on the very statement in which you said it:

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    In other words, they have clearly stated, prior to any articles being filed so they could not possibly be aware of the charges contained, they would exonerate trump.
    Exoneration in the impeachment trial would be voting against removal. So I think that my statement "Whatever you think of those comments by Republicans saying that at present they would not vote for removal, it certainly would NOT be treason" fairly characterizes what you said. You were objecting to the Senators saying now that they would not vote for impeachment if the matter ever came up. Indeed, you say as much here:

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    I spoke to their actions regarding their intent to specifically render a judgment of no guilt regardless of what the articles may contain.
    And that is not treason as it is not waging war against the US nor giving aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S.

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    That would be comparable to a judge saying the next guy that walks into his courtroom is not guilty regardless of any evidence against him. It is in absolute conflict with the duties and obligations the parties are charged with fulfilling.
    I agree. It would be wrong, violate the defendant's rights, violate the rules of conduct for judges and might be some crime under the relevant jurisdiction. But that crime would NOT be treason.

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    Now, if you wish to educate me on why it wouldn’t apply as trump is not considered to be an enemy of the sate I’m more than open to such. It may simply be my bias against him but I see trump as the worst president of my life, no question about it.
    Yes, your bias is coloring your views on this. And I applaud your recognition that your strong feelings on it are at work here. It's clear you have very strong views on Trump, and I totally respect your right to hold and express those views. I agree he is a bad president, though I don't share the depth of your dislike (or maybe hatred, though I don't know if that's how you'd characterize your opinion) of the guy. But being a bad president does not make him someone who is waging war against the US or an enemy of the U.S. Though you don't like it, he is the elected president of the country and does still have a fair amount of support. We have a divided country. Supporting someone (in this case Trump) who is on the other side of that divide doesn't equate to committing treason. A Senator stating today that he or she would not vote to remove Trump from office no matter what is proven in the Senate trial is not treason. It would be wrong for him/her to prejudge the matter — I agree with that. But treason? No.

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