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    My question involves business law in the state of: California.

    I joined this dating website called dream-singles.com and I have been on it since 2015. It features exclusively Ukrainian ladies and I picked one that I liked and I corresponded with her via the web site and also by email since 7/2015. This year in January I finally flew out to Kiev to meet her. At the time I didn't realize it, but she was an IMPOSTER. She was not the girl I thought I would be meeting although she was a close look alike. I have spent over $3500 in fees just chatting with her over the 3.5 years and my trip cost $2600 by the time you factor in her accommodations, 12 hour bus trip and other things she demanded that I buy for her while in Kiev... All these ladies are supposed to be interviewed and confirmed by the local agencies throughout the Ukraine. The main company is located in Nevada and in California. I'm in California. I have just now learned that there were 5 complaints against this company at the Better Business Bureau in the last 12 months. There are pages of complaints about the website on complaintsboard.com about them. One of the main issues is that the main company website claims that they do NOT pay any of the ladies to write letters to men. I'm certain this is rubbish, and they are in fact paid for each letter by Ukrainian agencies throughout the country. There were days when my mailbox was inundated with hundreds of emails from women with some of the stupidist letters I've ever read.

    My question is does a corporation here in US have a responsibility for the activities of the goings on of meetings in the Ukraine? The US company hires affiliate agencies to recruit these ladies. While some of the ladies may have sincere intentions of meeting someone, there are many bad apple agencies.

    Here's a link to my website where I have posted photos of my meeting in Kiev with my friend. I believe that I was communicating with her for the last 3 years. When I chatted with her on the website, I always thought that my typing in English appeared on her computer in English. What an assumption. I have learned that every word I typed was translated into Russian so she could understand me and respond. Her computer had a Russian keyboard, and all her words were translated back into English for me. Her profile states that she has an "Intermediate" level of English... This is ridiculous and when I met her she could not speak a single word aside from hi and bye, and could not understand me. I had a paid translator for 3 days of this and it was pricey. She picked the translator also. I think they could have been in cahouts. I paid him 300 euros on the first day which included some taxi fares and I knew nothing about them. I had to pay all her expenses and before the trip we chatted online. She demanded that I send her money directly so that she could stay at a place where she had stayed before. She refused to let me book her a place at a reasonable hotel near where I was staying. I guess I was naive and she probably took her bus trip and stayed at a friends house keeping the $350 I sent her for herself. She also got another $70 from me when she asked me for it because she needed to go to the hospital because she was in pain and had problems with her gal bladder.

    Here's the photo page : http://www.kingaccountingandtax.com/kiev1.aspx

    Please take a look at the photos and tell me if you think the girl sitting next to me in the restaurant is the same as the girl in the other photos. Do you think the girl holding the card with my name on it is the same as the girl to the right in the red? If so, is she the same girl sitting next to me?

    I should have asked to see her ID when I arrived at the airport. She was there with the translator. I believe this is a different lady and if you look closely at the picture of her sitting with me, her lips are not as full as the other lady and her eyebrows don't arch as much. Also her chin in more rounded and the other lady has a chin that is slightly pointed. The lady sitting next to me is a close look alike to her. What do you think?

    Is this US corporation liable for this bait and switch on me? Can I be successful at small claims to get a refund of my money?

    Thanks.

    Is the US corporation liable for this bait and switch?

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    Is the US corporation liable for this bait and switch?
    Sites in in the U.S. or that are targeted to the U.S. for dating Russian or Ukrainian women are generally scam operations with the object of either getting money from the guy and/or using him to facilitate getting the woman a visa to the U.S. There typically is no real romantic interest on the part of the woman involved; they just play on the guy's emotions or lust to get what they are looking for. You may file a complaint with the California Department of Consumer Affairs and the Federal Trade Commission. Suing the company for your expenses out of this, though, is usually an effort that ends in frustration. The U.S. site may very well only be a shell with little to no assets typically the real operation is located in Russia or Ukraine. Even if there is something real in California that you might go after, proving that the U.S. company is responsible for the actions of the local agencies and women in Russia or Ukraine is likely to be difficult because they set it up specifically to keep distance between the U.S. and the foreign entities.

    That is not to say that you shouldn't try or that you cannot succeed in your particular case. I don't know the particular firm that you used, I don't have all the details of your contract, nor do I know exactly everything that happened. You've stated you've spent approximately $6,100 on this so far, and that is within California small claims court limits. Small claims court is inexpensive, informal, and lawyers are not allowed in small claims court. So it wouldn't cost you much but a few dollars in filing/service fees and some time to try getting a judgment against the company. But getting the judgment is only the first step. You still have to collect it. And if that U.S. company is pretty much just a shell then you'll have a very hard time finding assets to attach to collect it. I had a client who got taken by one of these operations and when I looked into it there just wasn't anything the client could attach, making a lawsuit worthless. You might want to see if you can identify some assets of the company that are in the U.S. that you might easily reach and then decide from there how much effort you want to put into this.

    By the way, sites for dating women of various Asian countries like the Philippines also often have these sorts of problems. Always thoroughly check out any dating site you are thinking of using before jumping in. Dating sites are just ripe with scams out there.

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    There is zero data on the ICANN Whois server for that website. The only exception is the Registrar GoDaddy.com, LLC.

    Should you decide to sue you would have to go through them to see if there is even a US company involved.

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    Thanks. I filed my small claims court action yesterday in Los Angeles county. According to the Zoominfo website, they have an office in Sherman Oaks, CA and have 16 employees with revenue of 3.2 million.
    You didn't say anything about the pictures.

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    I have no interest in the pictures and I'm not about to follow a link to a dating site.

    PM me the name of the entity you filed suit against. I want to check something.

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    Is this US corporation liable for this bait and switch on me? Can I be successful at small claims to get a refund of my money?
    My money is on "no" to both questions.

    Did you ever bother to read the Terms of Service that you bound yourself to when you started using the site?

    dream-singles.com/terms.htm

    There are waivers and disclaimers that you are contractually bound by.

    I got a big laugh over this one:

    7.2.4. If we are deemed liable to you by a competent court, our maximum possible liability to you for any reason shall not exceed one hundred dollars ($100).

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    Yes, I was aware of it. I want to see if a judge will override this crock of unconscionable horseshit written by some hot shot attorney on the a 10th floor of this Beverly Hills high rise. They rake in 3.2 million in revenue have 16 employees and the max they are on the hook for is $100. Right.... We'll see what a judge says. My court date is in July.

    I'm a CPA. The link is not to a dating site, but to my accounting website where I posted the pictures. Additionally, I have determined that the real lady I intended to meet is 5' 5" per her profile. The lady in the picture has to be 5' 3".

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    Yes, I was aware of it. I want to see if a judge will override this crock of unconscionable horseshit written by some hot shot attorney on the a 10th floor of this Beverly Hills high rise. They rake in 3.2 million in revenue have 16 employees and the max they are on the hook for is $100. Right.... We'll see what a judge says. My court date is in July.

    I'm a CPA. The link is not to a dating site, but to my accounting website where I posted the pictures. Additionally, I have determined that the real lady I intended to meet is 5' 5" per her profile. The lady in the picture has to be 5' 3".
    so you are certain she was honest about her height? Do you have any reason to believe anything in her profile is true?

    I would say there is a possibility all the pictures are of the same woman although at varying ages and various levels of makeup.

    All you have to do is google extreme makeup changes and you can see how much makeup can hide or alter.

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    Yes, I was aware of it. I want to see if a judge will override this crock of unconscionable horseshit written by some hot shot attorney on the a 10th floor of this Beverly Hills high rise. They rake in 3.2 million in revenue have 16 employees and the max they are on the hook for is $100. Right.... We'll see what a judge says. My court date is in July.

    I'm a CPA. The link is not to a dating site, but to my accounting website where I posted the pictures. Additionally, I have determined that the real lady I intended to meet is 5' 5" per her profile. The lady in the picture has to be 5' 3".

    You never answered, what was the entity you filed suit against?

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