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    Default Re: Job Resignation Letter Advisement (the Do's and Don'ts)

    While I understand your desire to find a new direction in life, and leave this job, unless you are really well off and just work for personal satisfaction, I suggest you do a whole lot of testing the waters related to finding something else to do before you resign from a job. You say "possible life changes and new career opportunities" in a way that, sorry, after over thirty years in the employment field, scares me. If you are thinking of moving on or moving away because of a relationship, or going into business with someone, or leaving the job to stay home and let someone else support you, anything like a move of this sort, please be very careful. And do not say anything negative or critical of the business if you do decide to take this step without a net ready to fall into. There's really nothing to be accomplished at all by saying anything lengthy or negative. I like cbg's suggestion, and she's got some really high powered experience with resigners.
    My spouse worked many years in HR and he likes that whole no reason given best of all.

    What it comes down to is that no one cares, no one wants to hear what you have to say, and it never works to your advantage to leave any kind of negative impression with a former employer.

    My friend worked for a company where one of the most important players, been there for years, got a much better opportunity, went in to discuss it with his boss the company owner. And owner pulled out all the stops to keep him, matched and raised the new salary, gave all the perks, etc. Persuaded the guy to stay on. Just long enough to make sure this opportunity was not still around. And then one day some time later, just because he could, he called the guy in and fired him.

    Do not even expect them to be civil to you when you announce that you're leaving, okay? They're going to be mad at you. I don't care what wonderful folks they've been before. The only interest is self interest, and you're messing with them. You KNOW they do not have to let you work out a leave or notice, don't you? You do understand that regardless of all your careful planning, the minute they find out you're resigning, they may perfectly legally walk you right out of the building that day, it's not considered a firing, and you do not get to schedule your departure and/or final paycheck date.

    I have been watching employers for many years. This whole resignation idea, after all these years, sounds scary. Make sure you research it and have a back up plan.

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    they may perfectly legally walk you right out of the building that day, it's not considered a firing, and you do not get to schedule your departure and/or final paycheck date.
    In CA, this is firing provided the employer doesn't let the employee work their notice period, and causes them a monetary loss.

    https://www.edd.ca.gov/UIBDG/Volunta...oEffectiveTime

    "When the employer separates a claimant prior to the effective date of a previously announced voluntary leaving, the separation becomes a discharge if the claimant suffers a wage loss."

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    And when his maximum of 26 weeks of a maximum benefit of no more than $450 (and maybe not even that much) is up, he'd better have a new job already or he's toast.

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    In CA, this is firing provided the employer doesn't let the employee work their notice period, and causes them a monetary loss.

    https://www.edd.ca.gov/UIBDG/Volunta...oEffectiveTime

    "When the employer separates a claimant prior to the effective date of a previously announced voluntary leaving, the separation becomes a discharge if the claimant suffers a wage loss."
    In many states and not just California. This has been fought in several courtrooms across the country, almost always finding in favor of the employee resigning. In companies choose not to keep an employee after they turn in their resignation, the best recourse is to dismiss them and pay their salary until the date listed in the resignation letter.

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    Isn't this unemployment insurance, if approved in this circumstance, only for the weeks of notice that were given that the claimant was not allowed to work? It's not, I believe, an entire claim you'd qualify up for, and even if you were, it isn't much anyway. It's not a career choice. What this poster is dealing with is a whole career choice, and how to word their resignation from this whole long time job. If it took nothing but this to get unemployment rolling, here'd be a lot of people giving those long notices, and spending their time doing very little during them. Even an employee friendly state like CA doesn't fully qualify quitters quite this easily. And whether it is or isn't, related to unemployment insurance, there is not one single mention in the original question about unemployment insurance. This is just a possibility I mentioned that could happen if the employee gives a lot of formal notice to the company. So why pound this one issue to pieces? If it becomes an issue, they can come back with more questions related to the topic.

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    Isn't this unemployment insurance, if approved in this circumstance, only for the weeks of notice that were given that the claimant was not allowed to work?
    Not in CA. California refuses to do two adjudications on a separation. They adjudicate at the time of the separation, and won't go forward and say, "since you were going to quit in two weeks, come two weeks in the future, you will be denied benefits for a quit without good cause."

    When claimants know this, and know the employer loves to fire people before their noticed is served, then it's a good way to use as a last ditch effort to get UI when you have nothing else. Surprisingly, a lot of employers don't know this because quits get turned into discharges a fair amount. Not only that, they don't follow CA's pay rule to pay on the day they fire, and then get hit with DLSE wage claims.

    NY is a state that says it only allows UI through the date of the resignation, but there was an internet thread where someone avoided that. He was cautioned to shut up about the resignation, and see what happens, and only focus on that date he was fired. He succeeded.

    The issue isn't about the quit and being walked out. The more likely scenario is that the quitter thinks he's found his dream job, and doesn't make it long enough to purge the earlier quit. Then because he didn't write a correct letter of resignation, then he loses his UI when he desperately needs it. Another is when the claimant quits and the new employer pushes back the start date, or like what happened to someone I know, "I'm sorry Chris. Two people named Chris applied for the job, and I know I called you, but you weren't the right one. I feel really bad about that. I hope everything works out for you." Well, it didn't.

    Don't say you quit to take care of a sick relative with able and available issue it raises when you can quit the job to take a new job that was so good that you'd be an idiot not to take it, and be able to prove it in case things go sour.

    Commentator, it's all right here. You don't have to guess. https://www.edd.ca.gov/UIBDG/ If that doesn't have what you're looking for, then you can look here https://www.cuiab.ca.gov/Board/prece...ions/index.asp CA has a wealth of information for CA quitters to greatly improve their chances of getting UI.

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    Odd that when I was an employer with California employees it didn't work like that...

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    Odd that when I was an employer with California employees it didn't work like that...
    Then talk about them. How many did you fire immediately after they gave their letters of resignation? Did you pay them that day? How many UI inquiries came in after you did this?

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