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    If you didn’t mean Tom Brady, you may want to be more accurate in your statements.
    Objection, point of clarification...Are you a prosecutor @jk???...I meant: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/373/83/.

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    i laugh at how you make up facts
    It is quite clear that: Sections 56.54 & 86.09(e) provide: "'Public park' means any property designated, dedicated or developed by or on behalf of the City [] for park [] use. 'Parking lot' means those parking lots contained within public parks. No person shall park or stand a vehicle in violation of any sign or curb marking limiting or regulating the parking or standing of a vehicle".

    Section 81.0102 provides: 'parking, park' or 'parked' means to stand or leave standing any unoccupied vehicle, other than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading materials". ("Definitions" added 8-5-2013 by O-20281 N.S.; effective 9-4-2013)...

    ...regardless of being there any time between 10 and 6 in parking lots contained within public parks...there are no "No Trespassing" signs posted in the public place...policy does not trump ordinance nor state statutory law....and the Fair Notice doctrine would apply under the assertion of a "trespassing" charge.

    What is PUBLIC?
    Pertaining to a whole community; proceeding from, relating to the whole body of people or an entire community.

    Open to all;

    Common to all; open to common use. Morgan v. Cree, 46 Vt. 786, 14 Am. Rep. 640; Crane v. Waters (C. C.) 10 Fed. 621; Austin v. Soule, 36 Vt. 650; Appeal of Eliot, 74 Coun. 586, 51 Atl. 558; 0’IIara v. Miller, 1 Kulp (Pa.) 295.
    (https://thelawdictionary.org/public/)

    What is STATE, n? A body politic...Politics. With a lower case ’s’. The area geographically within defined territorial boundaries with a set of political institutions and rules by a government through conformance laws.
    https://thelawdictionary.org/state-n/
    https://thelawdictionary.org/state/

    What is CONFORMANCE?
    A certification that an item meets requirements and standards of a contract.
    https://thelawdictionary.org/conformance/

    Civil Code - CIV
    DIVISION 3. OBLIGATIONS [1427 - 3273] ( Heading of Division 3 amended by Stats. 1988, Ch. 160, Sec. 14. )
    PART 2. CONTRACTS [1549 - 1701] ( Part 2 enacted 1872. )
    TITLE 1. NATURE OF A CONTRACT [1549 - 1615] ( Title 1 enacted 1872. )

    CHAPTER 1. Definition [1549 - 1550.5] ( Chapter 1 enacted 1872. )

    1549.


    A contract is an agreement to do or not to do a certain thing.

    (Enacted 1872.)

    1550.


    It is essential to the existence of a contract [cf. CA-VEH Sec. 17459; 17460] that there should be:

    1. Parties capable of contracting;

    2. Their consent;

    3. A lawful object; and,

    4. A sufficient cause or consideration.

    (Enacted 1872.)

    IMPLIED CONSENT - in violation of 42 USC 1983; 1985(3) - Civil Liability of Owners and Operators of Vehicles; ARTICLE 4. Service of Process 17459; 17460; 15210 "The acceptance (assent to the terms of an offer) or retention (a species of lien) of a certificate of ownership (all property has an owner, whether that owner is an individual, and the property private, CA-CIV 669) or a certificate of registration (the act of making a list, catalog, or schedule, particularly of an official character) or a driver’s license or any renewal thereof shall constitute the consent [*as in "of the governed"] by the person that service of summons (to cite a defendant to appear in court) may be made upon him in any action brought in the courts upon a cause of action arising out of the ownership (whether that owner is an individual, and the property private) or operation of the vehicle...In the absence of a federal definition, existing definitions under this code shall apply...Driver means any person who operates any commercial motor vehicle (49 CFR 390.5)...Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to the occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation and not in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise; Operator - See driver (49 CFR 390.3 - General applicability)".

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    Default Re: Restraint of Liberty and Privacy Interests

    Why is this still going on?
    "Where do those stairs go?"
    "They go up!"

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    yes, there is. Suggesting there couldn’t be shows your lack of understanding what you wrote.
    You do realize that the term "Sovereign" refers to having "subjects", and that the term "Citizen" refers to being "subject to" the "Sovereign"...don't you?

    An oxymoron is a figure of speech where two contradicting words form a conjunction.

    An oxymoron can be used for emphasis.

    example 1: jumbo shrimp is simply a shrimp that is abnormally larger than it should be, hence it's name "shrimp" seeing that shrimp are small creatures.

    example 2: "tall midget" means that a midget is strangely taller than other midgets. But, they are still short, knowing they're a midget.

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    Why is this still going on?
    Because most of the answers are non responsive, and resort to ad hominem name-calling, by virtue of genuine discussion of the topic at hand being avoided and attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

    Fallacies are statements that might sound reasonable or true but are actually flawed or dishonest. When readers detect them, these logical fallacies backfire...https://www.nsbsd.org/cms/lib01/AK01...lFallacies.pdf

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    the laws were enacted by a legally elected legislature empowered by the majority of the residents of whatever state is involved....more accurately compared to a dictatorship. Our laws are based in malum in se as the intent is To protect the residents of the state involved.

    Your rights are limited when they conflict with another’s rights.
    In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so."

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    The answers are responsive, they just aren't the answers that you want. This issue has been beat to death and the folks here (me included) are inclined to view folks like yourself as, well, um...nutty. I had a friend like you, years ago, who would make long winded proclamations about injustices and bore the hell out of me. Yup. you definitely remind me of him.

    You are unnecessarily and irritatingly pedantic. We all know what ad hominem attacks are. We don't require you to explain them to us in your supercilious manner. If we attack your character it's because we choose to. Your arguments was full of holes before you ever arrived at this site.

    We are all familiar with what a fallacy is and, again, don't require your sanctimonious and pedantic explanation.

    My question, OP wasn't even directed at you. It was directed at the others here.
    "Where do those stairs go?"
    "They go up!"

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    *Govern (v.); late 13c., "to rule with authority," from Old French governer "steer, be at the helm of; govern, rule, command, direct" (11c., Modern French gouverner), from Latin gubernare "to direct, rule, guide, govern" (source also of Spanish gobernar, Italian governare), originally "to steer, to pilot," a nautical borrowing from Greek kybernan "to steer or pilot a ship, direct as a pilot," figuratively "to guide, govern" (the root of cybernetics). The -k- to -g- sound shift is perhaps via the medium of Etruscan. Intransitive sense from 1590s. Related: Governed; governing.

    *Ment (adj.); From From Middle English -ment, from Late Latin -amentum, from -mentum via Old French -ment; Old Occitan, from Latin mente, ablative singular of mēns (“mind”); mēns f (genitive mentis); third declension, "mind, intellect, reasoning, judgement"; Suffix Used to form nouns from verbs, the nouns having the sense of "the action or result of what is denoted by the verb", e.g. "rule, command, direct, control - mind, intellect, reasoning, judgement".

    "[G]overnments are but trustees acting under derived authority and have no power to delegate what is not delegated to them, But the people, as the original fountain, might take away what they have delegated and entrust to whom they please. ... The sovereignty on every state resided in the people of the state and they may alter or change their form of government at their own pleasure." Luther v Borden, 48 U.S. 1, 12 Led 581.

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    The answers are responsive
    , and resort to ad hominem name-calling, they just are answers that avoid the issue regarding the "Restraint of Liberty and Privacy Interests" involved with Kleptocratic State (cf. https://thelawdictionary.org/state/) licensing schemes...Many traditions are, once examined, not inherently worth continuing. An argument or idea should stand on its own at all times. What worked in the past may not work now, or may be totally irrelevant, based on the fact that something has been done before and therefore is unworthy of continuing.

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    You do realize that the term "Sovereign" refers to having "subjects", and that the term "Citizen" refers to being "subject to" the "Sovereign"...don't you?

    An oxymoron is a figure of speech where two contradicting words form a conjunction.

    An oxymoron can be used for emphasis.

    example 1: jumbo shrimp is simply a shrimp that is abnormally larger than it should be, hence it's name "shrimp" seeing that shrimp are small creatures.

    example 2: "tall midget" means that a midget is strangely taller than other midgets. But, they are still short, knowing they're a midget.



    Because most of the answers are non responsive, and resort to ad hominem name-calling, by virtue of genuine discussion of the topic at hand being avoided and attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

    Fallacies are statements that might sound reasonable or true but are actually flawed or dishonest. When readers detect them, these logical fallacies backfire...https://www.nsbsd.org/cms/lib01/AK01...lFallacies.pdf



    In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "argument to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so."
    Where did I say anything about sovereign anything? I didn’t


    Your definition of an oxymoron is also incorrect. Jumbo and shrimp are not contradictory. An oxymoron is where two words appear (the operative word) to be contradictory but in reality, they aren’t. A noun and an adjective cannot be contradictory terms.

    If jumbo and shrimp were as you suggest, then using the term small shrimp would be a useless statement since shrimp, per your statement, are already accepted as being small. Small shrimp would be redundant. It’s isn’t. Shrimp is simply the name of the animal while jumbo or small is an adjective describing the size in relative terms to all shrimp.


    The sovereign citizens named themselves so if you have an issue with the name they chose, complain to them.

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    A non sequitur is an illogical statement, one that seems to draw a conclusion not supported by the premises. All fallacies are on the most elementary level non sequiturs, but many can be related to some more specific logical error.

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    Where did I say anything about sovereign anything? I didn’t
    See: page 2; instant thread:

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    That’s where you and all the other sovereign citizens arguments fail.
    Fallacies are statements that might sound reasonable or true but are actually flawed or dishonest. When readers detect them, these logical fallacies backfire...

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    A non sequitur is an illogical statement, one that seems to draw a conclusion not supported by the premises. All fallacies are on the most elementary level non sequiturs, but many can be related to some more specific logical error.
    Again, you are incorrect but that appears to be what you are good at.

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    Tyrant, the 4th AM forbids UNreasonable searches and seizures. YOU define UNreasonable so exactly, no one can disagree with you? Can you do that?

    Don't think so!

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    Your definition of an oxymoron is also incorrect.
    https://www.google.com/search?biw=10...31.hEBTLcfgE8U

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    Tyrant Slayer, the 4th AM forbids UNreasonable searches and seizures. YOU define UNreasonable so exactly, no one can disagree with you? Can you do that? Don't think so!
    Well sir, as previously stated, it is quite clear that: Municipal Code Sections 56.54 & 86.09(e) provide: "'Public park' means any property designated, dedicated or developed by or on behalf of the City [] for park [] use. 'Parking lot' means those parking lots contained within public parks. No person shall park or stand a vehicle in violation of any sign or curb marking limiting or regulating the parking or standing of a vehicle".

    Municipal Code Section 81.0102 provides: 'parking, park' or 'parked' means to stand or leave standing any unoccupied vehicle, other than temporarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading materials". ("Definitions" added 8-5-2013 by O-20281 N.S.; effective 9-4-2013)...

    ...regardless of being there any time between 10 and 6 in parking lots contained within public parks...there are no "No Trespassing" signs posted in the public place...policy does not trump ordinance nor state statutory law....and the Fair Notice doctrine would apply under the assertion of a "trespassing" charge.

    What made the officers' legal determinations/conclusions to illegally detain me, reasonable? That is an honest, straight forward question, requiring factual evidence, and does not pertain to procedural advice. Thank you for being cordial, calm and collected. (cf. https://www.expertlaw.com/forums/sho...=241502&page=3)

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    Do you study law even casually, or just site snippets and apply them to anything?
    In the criminal law realm, 4th Amendment "search and seizure" protections extend to a law enforcement officer's physical apprehension or "seizure" of a person, by way of a stop or arrest; and police searches of places and items in which an individual has a legitimate expectation of privacy -- his or her person, clothing, purse, luggage, vehicle, house, apartment, hotel room, and place of business, to name a few examples. The degree of protection available in a particular case depends on the nature of the detention or arrest, the characteristics of the place searched, and the circumstances under which the search takes place. https://criminal.findlaw.com/crimina...amendment.html

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