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    Default Ticketed for Failure to Stay Stopped at a Stop Sign

    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: Pennsylvania. The Officer charged me with "Failing to stay stopped at a clearly posted stop sign" u mm mm is this a failing to yield citation? Or what? There was no accident. I was not even close to being in one. Although in my rearview mirror I saw the officer nearly collide w another vehicle.
    It was at a T intersection w 2 stop signs at the top of the T. Vehicles coming up the hill ( bottom of T) had no stop sign.
    I was at the left side stop sign , officer was at the right side stop sign. Both of us were stopped. He was making a left I was going straight. We both moved ahead at the same time and both of us stopped when we noticed. I felt like I was in the intersection further so I then proceeded thru ( I'm sure by then a car was coming up the hill but wasnt going to hit me due to me being past the stop sign by then) its in a lil side street so you are barely traveling at 15mph.
    I guess the cop decided to do a u-turn after me for idk cutting him off. Idk.. But he uturned infront of the car coming up the hill.
    Almost colliding . Then he flipped on his lights and pulled me over. Yelling at me for 15 minutes about cutting him and another car off. Then gave me a ticket for "failing to stay stopped at a stop sign " and argued and yelled at me more.
    I have him recorded the second time. He makes no sense about what happened.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    Sounds more like you should have been charged with failure to yield right of way. Assuming the cop got to the stop sign first.

    Does the ticket say what crime you are charged with? Numbers and letters usually.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    Quote Quoting Kwood65
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    is this a failing to yield citation? Or what?
    Are you thinking that we might have access to records relating to your ticket? What is the statute or ordinance number cited on your ticket. In the event it is a local ordinance, please identify the locality where the ticket was issued.

    As far as your description of what happened, I don't really follow, but it might be helpful if you posted a link to the intersection on Google Maps.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    OK The code is 3323 B
    (b) Duties at stop signs.--Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or appropriately attired persons authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line or, if no stop line is present, before entering a crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if no crosswalk is present, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a clear view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering. If, after stopping at a crosswalk or clearly marked stop line, a driver does not have a clear view of approaching traffic, the driver shall, after yielding the right-of-way to any pedestrian in the crosswalk, slowly pull forward from the stopped position to a point where the driver has a clear view of approaching traffic. The driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another roadway so closely as to constitute a hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection or junction of roadways and enter the intersection when it is safe to do so.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    Were you or the cop at the stop sign first?

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    He was. I'm pretty sure. He sat longer than normal . He said he was waiting to see a blinker on car coming up laird. Then we both pulled ahead the same time and stopped in the intersection.

    100 Laird St

    https://goo.gl/maps/VvWMMVwzs342
    Corner of Laird str ans S.Maple in Greensburgh PA

    Its highly unusual to have only 2 stop signs at a 3 way intersection, where the right a way is given to a side street. You can't see for the tree on Laird that they don't have a stop sign there. Unless you are familiar with it.
    The officer said I pulled out in front of a car coming up laird street , whom had the right a way . That car wasn't in my line of sight at the stop sign and I didnt see it after i pulled out because the cop almost hit me . I was looking at him when I proceeded to finish crossing thru the intersection.
    Then the cop (in my rearview mirror) pulled out in front of the "same " car he said I did almost colliding.
    How can I almost hit the same car he did?

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    I can't get my head around Laird not having the stop sign while the apparent through street has two of them.

    All I can suggest is you plead not guilty, get the officer's statement through discovery (if that's available), go to court and play the recording. Maybe his rant will show him in poor light.

    No way to predict the outcome.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    It doesn't sound like you violated 75 Pa.C.S.A. § 3323, but it does sound like you failed to yield, so.... I concur with "adjusterjack's" suggestion.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    That certainly is an odd intersection. Both directions of Maple have stop signs where as Laird does not. There's not even a 3-WAY designation on those two. My opinion is that traffic coming out of Laird has right of way over the traffic on Maple.

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    Default Re: Unusual Stop Sign Ticket

    I can understand why Laird doesn't have a stop sign. It appears to be a steep hill so it can be a safety issue when cars have to stop then go which could cause the car to roll back into the car behind it. There's a similar road like that here with a signal light and cars are always rolling backwards nearly causing accidents.

    The cop in this case was just throwing a temper tantrum cause you did not bow down to his royal corruptness and let him go ahead of you. I had a similar thing happen when I didn't let one walk in front of my car and floored it, he smacked the passenger window nearly breaking it. I just laughed as I watched him throw a hissy fit.

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