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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    I see this from a different point of view.

    First, I suspect your demeanor upon being contacted by the officer was not all sweetness and light as you portray. Instead, you decided to exercise your First and Fourth Amendment rights to mock the officer, play dumb, delay him in the performance of his duties and drag your encounter with him out for as long as possible, just to be an annoyance.

    By prolonging your contact with him in such a manner, you created a window of time that allowed him to see many more violations he might otherwise have missed had this been a shorter encounter. Having now observed these violations, he cited you for them appropriately.

    No doubt you think the officer threw the book at you. I would suggest to the contrary – that the officer gave you a break, in spite of you having failed the attitude test.

    Normally, breaking traction is cited at CVC23109(c), a misdemeanor. Instead, the officer cited you for the lesser charge of CVC 22350, unsafe speed. His point (most likely) will be that, considering the traffic on, and the surface and width of the highway, your speed caused you to loose traction and endangered the safety of persons or property, making it unsafe.

    In short, you got the poor man’s exhibition of speed, without being charged with exhibition of speed. He gave you a break. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
    Hmm interesting that you see it that way. I was actually very polite with him at first. I don’t normally get into it with cops but this time I did. Hence why I called and apologized. And I honestly don’t think he was cutting me a break I just think he didn’t know his codes. If you look them up he wrote the wrong violations for my tint and obstruction of view.

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    Your problem is obviously your attitude. I could tell as soon as you described the officer's demeanor as "mad-dogging" you. When you are pulled over you politely say Yes, Sir and No, Sir, be apologetic and contrite and don't argue with the cop no matter how much your manhood demands it. Mouthing off to cops is what gets you lots of tickets. And, guess what, the judge will believe the cop every time.

    I haven't checked (I'll leave it to you) but if 27150 for modified exhaust, 26709 for material on my windshield, 26708 tint, and 5200 no front plates are "fix-it" tickets I suggest you get them taken care of and take copies of your receipts to court and seek dismissal, or whatever the procedure is, and then go to traffic school for screeching tires if you are eligible.
    Well you must obviously know everything then my friend. How else would you describe someone looking at you like they wanna beat you up lol and that’s exactly how the watch command said the tickets line up. 1 moving violation and 4 fix it tickets. I should also note that the watch command immediately took my cuffs off when he arrived.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

    Tires chirping is not sufficient to prove imprudent speed beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless there was low visibility or the surface was slippery, 30 in 35 cannot be a speeding violation. You said there was a car in front of you that drove the same line at an even higher speed. Mention that too.

    5 weeks should have been enough for the tickets to show up in the system. Call the court and ask... don't let your due date pass.

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    Hmm interesting that you see it that way. I was actually very polite with him at first. I don’t normally get into it with cops but this time I did. Hence why I called and apologized. And I honestly don’t think he was cutting me a break I just think he didn’t know his codes. If you look them up he wrote the wrong violations for my tint and obstruction of view.
    He was definitely not giving you a break. Cuff you for no good reason, then give you a break with the charge? I think not. Wow.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    I can’t do anything about the exhaust cause he marked non correctable
    Even though the officer marked your exhaust violation "non-correctable" the court has the final say in whether or not the violation can be correctable. Get your "fix it" violations corrected and have the citation signed off by a law enforcement officer. Normally the local police department will charge for signing off on correctable violations but the Sherriff and Highway Patrol will usually do it free.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    Tires chirping is not sufficient to prove imprudent speed beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless there was low visibility or the surface was slippery, 30 in 35 cannot be a speeding violation. You said there was a car in front of you that drove the same line at an even higher speed. Mention that too.

    5 weeks should have been enough for the tickets to show up in the system. Call the court and ask... don't let your due date pass.



    He was definitely not giving you a break. Cuff you for no good reason, then give you a break with the charge? I think not. Wow.
    Yeah definitely going to mention that to the judge, I’m thinking it’s a good question to ask him if he remembers if there were any cars in front of me at the light before we turned.

    Yeah I’ve been checking online everyday to make sure I do t miss it if it pops up. They gave me a May 2019 court date.

    Agreed no break was given

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    Even though the officer marked your exhaust violation "non-correctable" the court has the final say in whether or not the violation can be correctable. Get your "fix it" violations corrected and have the citation signed off by a law enforcement officer. Normally the local police department will charge for signing off on correctable violations but the Sherriff and Highway Patrol will usually do it free.
    I think I have to go to the state ref to get my exhaust marked off which is around 100 dollars I don’t want to spend until it gets filed. It doesn’t say state ref but almost every chp station I’ve called says they can’t write it off except one in West Covina

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    He doesn't even need a reason to "sight" you. To pull you over all he needs is an articulable suspicion an offense has been committed. Observing the illegal tint, illegal window obstructions, or lack of license plate would be WAY more than sufficient.

    Even if things are not marked correctable, the judge may treat them so. Get the dang things fixed, you are just going to get repeatedly cited for them until you do. Explain to the judge that you've corrected them all and that your speed was not excessive.
    He didn’t notice any of that stuff before telling me to pop my hood and do a look around. I feel like he heard my exhaust go off and that’s what made him pull me over because he waited well until after the turn to light me up and only did so when my exhaust made noise

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

    Wouldn't a reading from a calibrated db meter be required to write up a modified exhaust? Cops around here use them to write those citations.

    Is a popping exhaust probable cause to search your car for nitrous oxide modifications? I think not.

    IMO, this cop screwed up all the way around. I doubt he will even defend his actions, but let us know how it proceeds. Let's see if the judge also feels he "gave you a break" or if he oulstepped his authority from start to finish.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

    A modified exhaust does not have to be above a particular decibel level to be in violation of the law. There are a number of reasons that can justify a search for modified parts including noise, obvious visual modifications, etc. Plus, if the hood was popped with consent, it's not an unlawful search. Sure, one can argue a lack of consent, but that can be a long and expensive path to try and travel along to avoid correcting a violation.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    A modified exhaust does not have to be above a particular decibel level to be in violation of the law. There are a number of reasons that can justify a search for modified parts including noise, obvious visual modifications, etc. Plus, if the hood was popped with consent, it's not an unlawful search. Sure, one can argue a lack of consent, but that can be a long and expensive path to try and travel along to avoid correcting a violation.
    It is very clear what took place during that traffic stop. Arguing the details is missing the big picture.

    True, the cop will win this battle and others. But this continued aggressive behavior is causing them to lose the war.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    It is very clear what took place during that traffic stop. Arguing the details is missing the big picture.

    True, the cop will win this battle and others. But this continued aggressive behavior is causing them to lose the war.
    I wasn't there, so no, it's NOT clear what happened during the traffic stop. The OP admits he got a bit lippy, so that almost certainly contributed to what transpired. And while handcuffing someone during a traffic stop is not common, it is also not unheard of. I have done it myself a few times. An officer (particularly if he has no cover officer) has a legal right to see to his own safety and often this means disabling a potential threat by handcuffing and even detaining in a locked patrol vehicle.

    What you see as "aggressive" is just as easily seen as a proactive action to safeguard both the officer and the person being contacted.

    Ultimately, "the war," as you call it, will be lost by the public who will have to suffer greater encroachment by the criminal element as law enforcement continues to get neutered and laws are enacted to decriminalize crime and minimize penalties for criminal activity. The police (those officers who remain in the career ... and those few that consider entering it) will continue to get paid even as they are encouraged to remain in their cars and sit on their hands by those very vocal few without a clue who advocate for the evisceration of public safety.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

    I thought you needed a dB meter as well but they never used one. So far the ticket still hasn’t been posted online after almost two months so I can’t even take care of anything yet

    Wasn’t really popped with consent. He told me to pop it or he was going to take me to jail. So I was basically forced to pop my hood.

    Seeing as I’m the op and was there I can clarify whatever it is you would like clarified. I have nothing to lose posting what honestly happened on this forum so ask away. There were two officers there on motorcycles. He handcuffed me after his partner looked under my hood and walked away. I went to close my hood after he looked and before I could close it he told me not to. So I didn’t, then he told me to get on the sidewalk, so I did. Then he said he was cuffing me.

    Agreed 100 percent. My car came from the factory with a feature Ford themselves dubbed “pops and bangs” from the exhaust.

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    Default Re: Got 22350 for Screeching Tires (Allegedly) and 4 Fix It Tickets, Advice Needed

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    Agreed 100 percent. My car came from the factory with a feature Ford themselves dubbed “pops and bangs” from the exhaust.
    Yet no link to Ford I can find shows a feature called “pops and bangs”.

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