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  1. #31
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    Default Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting

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    I work in the administrative offices of a university.

    How about this: Either answer the question, or shut your trap about how someone else should be doing their jobs. But as long as you keep it up, I'm going to keep it up.
    all you c's look alike to me so how about you gfy?

    regardless of what my background may or may not be, EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion about the conduct of their hired help, especially when it comes to executing other persons senselessly.

    you 'kill em all <based on any real or imagined threat> let god sort em out' types will end up sooner than later getting the message that the people are sick of this 24-7-365 non-stop blood lust and the idiocy rationalizing about how each and every time it damned sure was absolutely necessary, especially when it damned sure wasn't, will be your downfall

    in the mean time, I'm sure you can go find plenty of people that need to be shot in the back, armed or not, matters not, huh?

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    Don't know where you're from

    NYC

    or what horn you are blowing

    huh?

    but this situation is not what you seem to believe

    And why don't you tell me what I believe it to be?

    you do not have a good understanding of the case

    Yes I do.

    or a good argument here.

    Not arguing; not trying to have an argument. Trying to understand.

    Contrary to what you've assumed,

    And what I have I assumed?

    this is not a world where the cops are out on the streets trying to kill everybody based on the sheriff's direction.

    Where did I imply it was?

    So, here is what I am trying to understand. Why not show some more restraint? A lot more difficult - if not impossible - to do when you have to make a SSD, and rely on muscle memory as much, if not more, then brain function.

    But in a sit. like that one, where things are unfolding a lot slower than "GUN!!!", and when trained professionals have more of an opportunity to think, why not show restraint, and say, "hey - if we let this guy go now, we take our LEs out of harm's way, plus, there is no reason to suspect he is going to harm anyone else." ? Understandably, this guy needs to face the law, but why take such an aggressive position, and have the mentality of "we have to get him NOW!" ? Guy with a gun in his car who just shot someone - yes, have to get him NOW. But the guy in the vid? C'mon.

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    So, what you're saying KK1968, is that it doesn't matter who or how many people get shot, as long as it wasn't a cop doing the shooting. If someone else gets killed because the cops didn't bring down the shooter, that's okay with you.

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    [QUOTE=riffwraith;1091439]Don't know where you're from

    NYC

    or what horn you are blowing

    huh?

    but this situation is not what you seem to believe

    And why don't you tell me what I believe it to be?

    you do not have a good understanding of the case

    Yes I do.

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    "plus, there is no reason to suspect he is going to harm anyone else." ?


    I am from the same area where this incident occurred. Believe me, it is NOT New York City. I am acquainted with a lot of the actors in the situation, you are NOT. I gather that you are using this situation to argue that (1)cops are killers (2)all civil servants work for me and therefore should to what I, with the advantage of hindsight, think they should've done.

    And from your point of view,somebody who's driving a slow chase through the county.....repeatedly refusing to stop for the multiple police cars that have tried to stop him.......he's not dangerous, anybody can see that...As to "guy with a gun in his car (truck)" as I've told you repeatedly, anybody you stop on the road in this part of the world has VERY LIKELY got a gun in his truck. A guy who has just done the kind of chase that this guy did, DOUBTLESS is trying to commit suicide or has a real big reason he doesn't want to be stopped. In a big way, it was probably his addiction talking. If I go back to jail (had an extensive record, he did) no more of this (the drugs he was high on) for a while.

    If not for the truly obnoxious recording of the White County sheriff that made its way into the story, this would've been enacted out as it is up here with some regularity. Either he was shot, or he would've stopped, come out, laid down, hands where we can see them, and not been shot. Trust me, he knew exactly how he would've needed to act to show the deputies he was NOT a threat. He was no rookie.

    Or, his judgment being what it was at the time, he would have done exactly what it appears he was doing, he'd left it to where they pretty much were going to shoot him, and he knew that. As I have said, it almost looks like a suicide.

    And THAT is what the D.A. decided, and the TBI supported. No charges were filed against the officers. End of this story. As I said, it's tough to sue that sheriff for being a complete jerk who makes hurtful and unprofessional comments, which he is and has been. But at the end of the day, he did not cause that shooting.

    If you want to be indignant about something, be indignant about our legislature, which will not even agree to take meth making materials off the shelves, due to the money of the drug companies. Be indignant about our legislators, who support the big drug companies who sell enough pain pills in this area for every man woman and child to have thousands of them a month, and look at the wreckage that all this mess has caused in the area. Be indignant about the lack of mental health care and addiction treatment that we consistently vote for, to our own disadvantage. It's not bad policing that is our problem, it's a whole lot of economic and cultural issues that make this a sad place.

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    I gather that you are using this situation to argue that (1)cops are killers....
    Oh my lord. I stopped reading right there. NOWHERE in my posts do I even come close to implying that. If that's your take on what I said, then you are not someone I can have a conversation with. Not even on the internet.

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    The same courts that say the man's execution was fine, despite there being no body cam shown of his last seconds, also say had they let him go, they all would have been blameless for any subsequent injury or harm he caused. That is what I am saying.

    I am saying the people are sick of this senseless sh!t and the mentality that cops display when anyone who doesn't instantly submit to their authority needs to be executed, shot in the back running or in the head while posing zero threat.

    Judge, jury and executioner kinda mentality.............the cretin sheriff ordered the execution and the morons working for him fearfully and dutifully carried out his orders instead of shooting the piece-of-shit voted-out-of-office vermin.

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    I still would like you to answer the question I asked. If the cop holding fire means that a bystander will be killed, is the cop right or wrong to bring down the shooter?

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    ask something relevant to something real which your ignorant question fails to do by many miles in this instance.

    I still likely won't answer you because I think you're a moron.

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    It is a very relevant question. You're decrying the use of violence by law enforcement. So are the circumstance when it is justified, or is it not? How is that not relevant?

    EJay - I'm not speaking of this specific instance. I'm trying to find out if KK would EVER think the use of force by a cop justified. Are there ANY circumstances when it is acceptable? (I will concede, and do not necessarily disagree, that it is never the preferred solution.) Or is it better for an innocent third party to lose their lives if it means that law enforcement does not have to kill?

    Does his refusal to answer what is not at all an irrelevant question simply mean he's backed himself into a corner and doesn't want to admit that yes, in some circumstances, it can be an acceptable, even if not the preferred solution for a cop to kill? Or does it mean that he really holds bystander life so cheaply that it doesn't matter what happens to them as long as he gets his way?

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    We finally agree on something, your hypothetical isn't relevant to this discussion.

    Your agenda now clearly stated is to reduce me to the level of yourself and others here that present no matter what, if a cop executes somebody, the living cop ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt for being justified.

    So you run along and find something quite on point and relevant to what you wish to know.

    In the mean time, I'll provide you with this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21y-X0E_nLo

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