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    Default Legality of Staged Atrocity Propaganda

    I'm writing to solicit opinions from those of you who are familiar with how public policy is created and implemented.

    I am going to give you a hypothetical situation and solicit your opinion.

    For the sake of argument, let's say this is happening.

    Let's say that certain factions in the Federal government have decided that they wish to change some of the basic laws governing the country with respect to certain freedoms. Let's say that it was decided that because the public would not willingly go along with planned permanent removal of certain basic rights - it was decided to use advanced opinion shaping techniques developed by the military to include Staged Atrocities.

    Let's say that the science of Public Deception is fairly mature.

    Let's say that there are specialist groups trained in Deception and Psychological Operations who are literally carrying out scripted drill scenarios - and presenting them to the public as real-world events. And these events are being broadcast to the public through complicit media channels.

    Now, here is my question for you. Do you think that the government's use of Deception techniques to fool the public into thinking that certain things are happening is a legitimate way to achieve policy objectives?

    If you don't think that Deception and Staged Atrocity Propaganda is a legitimate form of statecraft - and its use is presently "legal".... then, what do we do about it?

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    Default Re: Legality of Staged Atrocity Propaganda

    80,000,000 of us own guns. Most of us, more than one, and lots of ammo. If that kind of thing happens we would gladly lend you one. Would you stand with us or just jabber about hypotheticals?


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    I am terrified to ask what these "deception techniques" might have been, WHY these activities might have been undertaken, and HOW such a covert and widespread action involving the buy-in of dozens or even hundreds of people could have been accomplished without a leak???

    @haha, you wouldn't happen to be among those who believes that Newtown never actually happened???
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    @haha, you wouldn't happen to be among those who believes that Newtown never actually happened???
    Haha could also be one of the folks that believe that some, or all, of the recentish mass shootings were carried out by agents (willing or otherwise) of the government.

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    cdwjava,

    Staged Atrocity Propaganda is a "thing". It exists. It is a bona-fide technique used to apply political pressure upon chosen target audiences to achieve policy goals.

    It may help you read through this book:Counterdeception Principles and Applications for National Security by Edward Waltz (Author),‎ Michael Bennett (Author). You can get it on Amazon. That book will help to introduce the concepts of how "Deception" works and it includes some general principles of application. "Counterdecption" is the science that enables to identification of deception to mitigate the effects of a deception operation.

    But, to help you to understand how something like this can be done, I suggest you look up how the US Justice department used "Deception" techniques to remove Judge Joseph Waters Jr. from the bench in Philadelphia. http://articles.philly.com/2014-09-2...ny-gun-charges

    Long story short: The FBI "Invented" an entirely fake "defendant" who never breathed air, named David P. Khoury. They "invented" an arrest so that appropriate paperwork was created. And they placed that paperwork into the Philadelphia Municipal Court system. Not "Everyone" was "in on it". Only the people that had to know - knew. This was just another documented arrest as far as most associated with the Court knew. Ultimately, the judge hearing the case reduced the charge to a misdemeanor and this is what the judge was charged and convicted for doing. The charges were ultimately dropped when the fake defendant failed to appear for trial and court staff had no address on file.

    All that remains of Khoury’s case is a manila court file on an office shelf in the Philadelphia courts building. On it is a single green sticky note that reads, “Withdrawn – FBI.”

    This proves that the government used deception to create an entire fake persona, created an entirely fake arrest, and created an entirely fake court case.

    How they did it is interesting and worth your time.

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    80,000,000 of us own guns. Most of us, more than one, and lots of ammo. If that kind of thing happens we would gladly lend you one. Would you stand with us or just jabber about hypotheticals?

    I stated in my original post that this kind of thing happens, and his happening.

    Is your answer to my question about the legality of public deception to resolve the situation with violence?

    I don't think I understand your answer.

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    Haha could also be one of the folks that believe that some, or all, of the recentish mass shootings were carried out by agents (willing or otherwise) of the government.
    free9man, why attempt to throw in ad-hominem? Where did that come from?

    Do you deny that Deception exists? It might help you to study up on Deception and how it is implemented.

    As far as identifying whether or not a particular event was a Deception Operation or not, there is an entire body of science called "Counterdeception" that does that job.

    Counterdeception principles can also be used to determine how a magician did a certain trick. But, it is widely used in military circles where Deception Operations are constantly be used as a force multiplier.

    This thread is about the LEGALITY OF STAGED ATROCITY PROPAGANDA - WHETHER IT IS A LEGITIMATE TACTIC TO ACHIVE PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVES - AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT.

    If you want to discuss how to apply Counterdecption principles to determine the veracity of a specific incident - then say so.

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    The case that you speak about was part of an investigation by the FBI some years ago designed to catch a corrupt judge. It was a major news story at the time. Yes, deception is a legitimate form of criminal investigation.

    But, your original post is clearly about much more than that. You claim that the federal government is engaged in some sort of cryptic plot to change our fundamental rights, and utilizing "scripted drill scenario" and presenting them as actual events. Given recent headlines, I can only conclude that you are referring to mass shootings as an effort to promote the seizure of firearms or some such thing. Perhaps if you'd care to stop dancing around the event you are alluding to and spit it out, we won't have to dance around wondering what on Earth your going on about.
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    The case that you speak about was part of an investigation by the FBI some years ago designed to catch a corrupt judge. It was a major news story at the time. Yes, deception is a legitimate form of criminal investigation.

    But, your original post is clearly about much more than that. You claim that the federal government is engaged in some sort of cryptic plot to change our fundamental rights, and utilizing "scripted drill scenario" and presenting them as actual events. Given recent headlines, I can only conclude that you are referring to mass shootings as an effort to promote the seizure of firearms or some such thing. Perhaps if you'd care to stop dancing around the event you are alluding to and spit it out, we won't have to dance around wondering what on Earth your going on about.
    I claim that the use of Staged Atrocity Propaganda is legal in the US. So let's focus on that first. How and why is it legal?

    You use the term "cryptic". Do you mean "secret" or "classified"?

    I am not "dancing around" anything here.

    Here is a DIRECT QUESTION for you:

    Do you think that the use of Staged Atrocity Propaganda is a legitimate use of government discretion for a regime to achieve public policy goals?


    It is interesting to note that you admit and assert the legitimacy of government operatives using a "cryptic plot" to achieve the policy goal of removing Judge Waters from the bench in Philadelphia.

    Are you trying to assert that government operatives do not and are not employing "cryptic plots' to achieve policy goals?

    I am saying that such a thing is happening.

    I find it interesting that many people seem to be in denial about this.

    Is that because they simply don't understand the science of deception? Or do you think they are simply intellectual cowards?

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    I claim that the use of Staged Atrocity Propaganda is legal in the US. So let's focus on that first. How and why is it legal?
    If you think it would be legal it is up to you to answer that question.

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    I'm not going to bite on your "direct question" about something called "Staged Atrocity Propaganda" as the term is undefined. Propaganda, by it's very nature, is spin, or, an interpretation of events that have occurred. What you describe is something that has been foisted on the public in order to change the fabric of society.

    Give an example of what you are talking about. Come on ... you can be open about it. What is the recent event that you believe is entirely staged and not at all real?
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    I decline to feed the troll.

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