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    Default You Should Be Able to Sue Your Parents for Abuse

    PayrolGuy, your 01-02-2018 response to Starfire229
    is stunningly indifferent and insouciant towards her, as are all of your responses to the victims/survivors of criminal abuse towards children on this site. Before you go into another one of your self-righteous tirades about how tortured and abused children are supposed to automatically have the acumen and wherewithal of adults when they are trapped in severe long-term violent abusive homes and somehow instinctively gain the ability to have the courage, bravery, guts and intelligent thinking of an adult forced into the same situation, show some further emotional intelligence first. Criminal Child Abuse always places the child into stressful modes of self-survival in highly dangerous situations alone with the abuser(s), forcing the child to exercise judgment, decisions and actions, for the sake of their own immediate safety, well-beyond a typical child’s years and developmental and emotional capacities.
    And often times, well beyond the mental capacities of their own abusers.

    “There have been children that sued their parents and won but they are rare enough that it is still news when it happens.”
    That’s a staggering statement that is as sick as it is true. In light of the fact that:
    - Every year more than 3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving more than 6 million children,
    - A report of child abuse is made every ten seconds in the US alone,
    - And in 2016, state agencies found an estimated 686,000 victims of child maltreatment, enough to pack 10 modern football stadiums.

    However, the sickening truth remains that societal indifference and apathy (such as your own) towards even the very basic of human rights being upheld for children , continues to strip children of the full rights that they deserve. Therefore, deliberately blocking any recourse to relief and justice from the justice system: the same access to judicial relief that any adult would receive if it was an adult being assaulted in the same manner. Examples: the highly discriminatory Statutes of Limitations on pursuing claims of dangerous crimes committed against children, placing “parental authority” above the basic human rights of children, punitive placement of child abuse victims into revolving foster homes, etc. In all reality, it is the Abuser who needs to be yanked from the home and incarcerated into foster care!
    Those are just some of the reasons why “There have been children that sued their parents and won but they are rare enough that it is still news when it happens.” Children suing criminal parents should be as routine as any adult assault case, not “...rare enough that it is still news when it happens.”

    “Is you mother wealthy?”
    Ok, fine. Lets just prosecute wealthy abusers, and screw the victims of abusers who live below the poverty line. If you are a financially poor abuser you are far more likely to get away with your crimes. Lawyers, after all, are committed to profitable case outcomes, not the welfare of children. Brilliant.

    “If not what do you expect to get from suing her?”
    The the depth of ignorance in this question is truly beyond comprehension.
    Did you not hear any one single voice of the 150+ victim/survivors of Larry Nasser’s abuse of them
    when they spoke of their pain & suffering publicly in court?
    Are you completely deaf to the voices of the 4,444 people who came forward to a government inquiry of incidents of child sexual abuse relating to 93 Catholic Church authorities that took place in more than 1,000 institutions in Australia and spoke publicly of their pain & suffering?
    How about the victim voices of 1,795 reports of church-related sex abuse of minors in the Netherlands?
    The voices of the victims of 4000+ USA priest abusers?
    The 1,400+ Irish schoolchildren victims?
    And that’s just the beginning….
    If you listen to the voices of adult survivors of childhood abuse, you will clearly understand exactly what they “...expect to get from suing her?”. Or maybe you can’t understand that full accountability of the child abuser’s own actions by the abuser him/herself, and appropriate legal repercussions of the abusers crimes are far more important to the victim/survivors than any amount of money. Your closed-minded and cavalier attitude regarding the lifetime psychological, emotional, physical repercussions of sustained childhood abuse is on full display in your question.
    Your statement “If you were 17 and still had 3 years of school in front of you it sounds like you weren't doing much with the time you were in school.” is so insulting it does not even make any sense.
    In short, there is no path to forgiveness and healing in the absence of accountability and repercussion, that is why we sue.
    (Approx. 30 additional reports of child abuse was made in the time it took you to read this reply, just in the US alone.)

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    Lawyers, after all, are committed to profitable case outcomes, not the welfare of children. Brilliant.
    I’m sympathetic to the plight of abused kids. But this comment of yours is a cheap shot. Lawyers have to earn money to pay their bills like everyone else and have the right earn money like anyone else. And yet you say that because we look to earn a living from our work that all of us don’t care about the welfare of children. Whether you intended that or not, that is the way it comes across and it is insulting. You might consider that if you want to encourage more lawyers to donate their pro bono efforts to abused kids that insulting all lawyers is not a good way to go about it.

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    If you listen to the voices of adult survivors of childhood abuse, you will clearly understand exactly what they “...expect to get from suing her?”. Or maybe you can’t understand that full accountability of the child abuser’s own actions by the abuser him/herself, and appropriate legal repercussions of the abusers crimes are far more important to the victim/survivors than any amount of money. Your closed-minded and cavalier attitude regarding the lifetime psychological, emotional, physical repercussions of sustained childhood abuse is on full display in your question.
    The problem is that civil lawsuits are basically for two things: (1) monetary damages or (2) equitable (e.g. injunctive) relief. If the defendant has no assets that may be attached to collect a money judgment then that judgment is pretty much worthless until such time, if ever, that the defendant does come into money. And a injunction is only effective when the plaintiff is in a situation in which the abuse would be ongoing, like still being a minor and living with the abusing parent. Of course, in that situation it should be more effective for the state child protective services agency to do that. Once the child is no longer a minor and not living at home the injunction is no longer needed. So, while you bristle at the idea, when it comes an adult suing for past child abuse, it does largely come down to money. That is the only remedy the court will be able to provide. And if the defendant has no assets, that remedy doesn't really have much sting to it, does it?

    Criminal trials provide the best avenue for the “legal repercussions” of the abuse you seek and for confronting the abuser. Government hearings and other other more widely attended forums are generally going to be better where the goal is for the victims to make themselves heard to world at large and to bring attention to this issue.

    Don’t get me wrong, I understand your outrage at child abuse and your anger that more isn’t done about it. But this forum isn’t about how to change the law and society to acheive that goal. It is simply to help people understand what the current state of the law is.

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    Default Re: Severe Childhood Emotional Trama and Abuse

    Is you mother wealthy?”
    Ok, fine. Lets just prosecute wealthy abusers, and screw the victims of abusers who live below the poverty line. If you are a financially poor abuser you are far more likely to get away with your crimes. Lawyers, after all, are committed to profitable case outcomes, not the welfare of children. Brilliant.
    well, your response was ignorant. The larrry Nassar trial is a criminal trial. He’ll go to prison based on that trial. In the case at hand the op was asked if her mother was wealthy. That’s because in a civil trial the punitive or compensatory “sentence” is based on money. It doesn’t do much good to sue a person with no means of paying any resulting money award. It’s a hollow victory.

    in a civil suit there will be no public shaming of the defendant as there is in the sentencing period of s criminal trial. The plaintiff won’t be allowed to walk 1000 or 100 or even 1 victim to the witness stand or podium and listen to their voice in joining others to attempt to show the levels of disgust for the defendant.

    Dont confuse a person dealing in reality with that person being uncaring.

    Since you want to claim some level of superiority here, why haven’t you suggested the op report the sexual abuse by the cousin? A prosecution for those acts is both civilly and criminally viable. The one point that is actually available to the op and you ignore it.

    Maybe your purpose was simply to deride other posters than to offer direction or sssistsnce to the op.


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    PayrolGuy, your 01-02-2018 response to Starfire229
    is stunningly indifferent and insouciant towards her, as are all of your responses to the victims/survivors of criminal abuse towards children on this site. Before you go into another one of your self-righteous tirades about how tortured and abused children are supposed to automatically have the acumen and wherewithal of adults when they are trapped in severe long-term violent abusive homes and somehow instinctively gain the ability to have the courage, bravery, guts and intelligent thinking of an adult forced into the same situation, show some further emotional intelligence first. Criminal Child Abuse always places the child into stressful modes of self-survival in highly dangerous situations alone with the abuser(s), forcing the child to exercise judgment, decisions and actions, for the sake of their own immediate safety, well-beyond a typical child’s years and developmental and emotional capacities.
    And often times, well beyond the mental capacities of their own abusers.

    “There have been children that sued their parents and won but they are rare enough that it is still news when it happens.”
    That’s a staggering statement that is as sick as it is true. In light of the fact that:
    - Every year more than 3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving more than 6 million children,
    - A report of child abuse is made every ten seconds in the US alone,
    - And in 2016, state agencies found an estimated 686,000 victims of child maltreatment, enough to pack 10 modern football stadiums.

    However, the sickening truth remains that societal indifference and apathy (such as your own) towards even the very basic of human rights being upheld for children , continues to strip children of the full rights that they deserve. Therefore, deliberately blocking any recourse to relief and justice from the justice system: the same access to judicial relief that any adult would receive if it was an adult being assaulted in the same manner. Examples: the highly discriminatory Statutes of Limitations on pursuing claims of dangerous crimes committed against children, placing “parental authority” above the basic human rights of children, punitive placement of child abuse victims into revolving foster homes, etc. In all reality, it is the Abuser who needs to be yanked from the home and incarcerated into foster care!
    Those are just some of the reasons why “There have been children that sued their parents and won but they are rare enough that it is still news when it happens.” Children suing criminal parents should be as routine as any adult assault case, not “...rare enough that it is still news when it happens.”

    “Is you mother wealthy?”
    Ok, fine. Lets just prosecute wealthy abusers, and screw the victims of abusers who live below the poverty line. If you are a financially poor abuser you are far more likely to get away with your crimes. Lawyers, after all, are committed to profitable case outcomes, not the welfare of children. Brilliant.

    “If not what do you expect to get from suing her?”
    The the depth of ignorance in this question is truly beyond comprehension.
    Did you not hear any one single voice of the 150+ victim/survivors of Larry Nasser’s abuse of them
    when they spoke of their pain & suffering publicly in court?
    Are you completely deaf to the voices of the 4,444 people who came forward to a government inquiry of incidents of child sexual abuse relating to 93 Catholic Church authorities that took place in more than 1,000 institutions in Australia and spoke publicly of their pain & suffering?
    How about the victim voices of 1,795 reports of church-related sex abuse of minors in the Netherlands?
    The voices of the victims of 4000+ USA priest abusers?
    The 1,400+ Irish schoolchildren victims?
    And that’s just the beginning….
    If you listen to the voices of adult survivors of childhood abuse, you will clearly understand exactly what they “...expect to get from suing her?”. Or maybe you can’t understand that full accountability of the child abuser’s own actions by the abuser him/herself, and appropriate legal repercussions of the abusers crimes are far more important to the victim/survivors than any amount of money. Your closed-minded and cavalier attitude regarding the lifetime psychological, emotional, physical repercussions of sustained childhood abuse is on full display in your question.
    Your statement “If you were 17 and still had 3 years of school in front of you it sounds like you weren't doing much with the time you were in school.” is so insulting it does not even make any sense.
    In short, there is no path to forgiveness and healing in the absence of accountability and repercussion, that is why we sue.
    (Approx. 30 additional reports of child abuse was made in the time it took you to read this reply, just in the US alone.)
    You are completely out of line ... and you clearly did not comprehend what was written. I strongly suggest that you take a seat.

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