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    Default Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

    My question involves collection proceedings in the State of: Pennsylvania. I fell at work, tripped over something carrying some items. I was not hurt other than a scrapped knee, that I cleaned up myself. Someone must have felt I was more injured and called 911. An ambulance was sent out by the time they arrived and located me I was back at my work area preparing to leave for the day. Of course they wanted to ask me all questions. Was I dizzy, did I feel ok, was I hurt or bleeding? I was not and refused any treatment and transport to hospital. They didn't like this and had to contact a supervisor before they would leave with out taking me to hospital. A week later I received a bill for refusing ambulance services that day in the amount of $150.00 My health insurance also will not cover any of this fee either. I did not ask anyone to call 911 for me, didn't call myself and didn't want or need assistance so can they really bill me for this and am I in any way obligated to pay? I feel I should not be since I didn't ask for assistance in anyway, didn't call them and refused all services.

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    Thanks, I was thinking that but the Ambulance billing company is trying to say it's my responsibility to pay. I fail to see how it is. They should bill the caller in my opinion for calling for something so trivial

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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    I agree. However how do I get them to stop sending me invoices and trying to collect? I would have no problem paying the fee had I ask someone to call them later changed my mind but that's not the case, I am being billed for them to respond to a call that should not have been made.

    The issue as to why they will not even seem to entertain billing my employers WC insurance is probably the same reason why my insurance will not cover it, they only cover ambulance services if the patient is transported.

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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    ... and then they simply turn the bill over to collections.
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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    Quote Quoting Rock Knocker
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    Tell them that they are harrassing you and that you have spoken to a lawyer and if they do not stop this harrassment you will seek legal redress.

    See if that shuts them up
    The ambulance service will know that sending periodic bills for the service is not illegal and does not amount to harassment. Making empty threats and, worse, lying about consulting a lawyer and claiming that the lawyer said it was harassment (and they’ll know that no lawyer would have told the OP that), is a great way to undercut the OP’s credibility and make him/her look like any other deadbeat in their eyes. That may make it heard to resolve this with the company quickly. Rather, I would suggest the OP simply tell them that he/she refuses to pay as the OP did not call the ambulance, did not want the service, and refused the service when the ambulance personnel arrived and thus the OP has no contractual or other liability to pay for the service. That may get the service to either back off or to tell the OP on what theory it thinks the OP is liable to pay for this.

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    Default Re: Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

    Taxing matters, you do have a point about the idle threats of a lawyer, they will know that sending bills is not harassment, neither is calling to ask for payment. It has not come to them calling yet, I do not know how they have my address or if they might have a phone number as I did not provide the respondents with it.

    I think I am going to call the billing company and tell them
    I don't feel I am legally obligated to pay the bill since I didn't call, didn't ask anyone to can for me and refused services when they arrived. This situation would be like if your neighbors thought your grass was too long and called a lawn care company to come cut it for you with out asking you. Then when they show up unloading the mowers you send them away but they still bill you for coming over when you didn't ask for the service to start with.

    I really want to hear what crazy grounds they have for thinking it's ok to bill for a service that someone didn't ask for or need.

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    Thanks, I was thinking that but the Ambulance billing company is trying to say it's my responsibility to pay.
    The ambulance company can't open a worker's compensation case -- that would be something your employer would have needed to do after your injury report. Have you spoken with your employer about submitting the claim to workers' comp?

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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    Yes an incident report was completed the next day. The report was that I fell was not hurt other tHan a minor cut that was self treated. At this point I don't see how opening a WC case is possible or would help. I have read that most all insurance will not pay for non transport ambulance charges and it was now a month ago.
    I just called the billing company. I was told that because someone, anyone calls 911 on your behalf that you are responsible for the bill because they must respond, come out and access the situation.
    I explained that I did not call or ask anyone to call on my behalf and refused services when they arrived. Refused to go with them to the hospital. I did not feel I was responsible for services I didn't need or request. I was told if I refused to pay the bill would stay for the billing cycle then be looked at and possibly canceled or sent to a collection agency. So it seems I have no option but to continue to refuse to pay on principal

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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    You don't owe them anything because they did not provide any emergency medical services. They can file a claim with your health insurance and if they deny the claim, you don't have to pay yourself.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...ssInd=0&act=84

    "Emergency medical services" or "EMS." Any of the following:

    (1) The medical care, including medical assessment, monitoring, treatment, transportation and observation, which may be provided to a person in responding to an actual or reported emergency to:

    (i) prevent or protect against loss of life or a deterioration in physiological or psychological condition; or

    (ii) address pain or morbidity associated with the person's condition.
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...&div=0&chpt=81

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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    "Emergency medical services" or "EMS." Any of the following:

    (1) The medical care, including medical assessment, monitoring, treatment, transportation and observation, which may be provided to a person in responding to an actual or reported emergency to:

    (i) prevent or protect against loss of life or a deterioration in physiological or psychological condition; or

    (ii) address pain or morbidity associated with the person's condition.

    (2) The transportation of an individual with medical assessment, monitoring, treatment or observation of the individual who, due to the individual's condition, requires medical assessment, monitoring, treatment or observation during the transport.


    EMS responded to a call for service.

    They assessed and monitored the patient.

    I'm not sure why you think that the patient received no services for which he can be billed.

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