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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    Quote Quoting Highwayman;1055956They [I
    assessed[/I] and monitored the patient.

    I'm not sure why you think that the patient received no services for which he can be billed.
    They didn't address pain or morbidity and they did not prevent or protect against loss of life or a deterioration in physiological or psychological condition.

    So it's ok with you if I report an accident (you stubbed your toe) that is not an emergency and requires no emergency medical services according to the definition at your house and I request an ambulance without your consent that you have to pay for?

  2. #12
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    Well I disagree, that's all. The OP sustained a physical injury, EMS responded, assessed his condition and monitored him. As far as my opinion goes that meets the criteria outlined in the statute.

    The OP needs to make sure that the proper workplace reporting is done to have a WC case opened so that WC can be billed and let them deal with it.

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    Quote Quoting Highwayman
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    Well I disagree, that's all. The OP sustained a physical injury, EMS responded, assessed his condition and monitored him. As far as my opinion goes that meets the criteria outlined in the statute.
    You're right. An assessment had to be made before a conclusion about the person's health could be reached, ergo ...

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    So, if EMS is called when it is not needed, and they ask "sir, are you alright", then it becomes billable? And EMS can't leave unless they make an assessment.
    We respond many times when EMS gets called for minor stuff. People RMA all the time and it's never them who calls the ambulance or 911. Billable? The real argument is between the insurance company and the biller.

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    I called my insurance company to submit this as a claim today I was told since they did Not provide medical treatment or transport it is not covered. I asked if I could used my health care spending account to pay it. I was told it was not an allowable expense for the same reason. The lady at my insurance company said they had never heard of an ambulance fee like this and that it sounded bogus to her.

    When I called the Ambulance billing company they even had it on file that I refused several times. But they still claim that I owe because they were called and couldn't leave until the supervisor they called and talked to with me on speaker phone said it was ok for them to leave and not take me to the hospital.

    I am going to take the bill to work and see if they can get worker comp to cover it after the holiday break. However if they won't pay it I think they are out of luck. I am just going to refuse to pay it because I didn't ask for or receive and medical care.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Ambulance Refusal Bill

    It's your credit to ruin.

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    Default Re: Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

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    It's your credit to ruin.
    If I had asked for or accepted any medical care or transport I would be happy to make some kind of payment plan with them. Fact is they provided me nothing but a bill for a service that I didn't request or need. According to my insurance company there shouldn't be any bill since it wasn't me who called for a non emergency. Since no service was provided other than asking if I was ok and arguing with me I don't feel I should pay.

    The other thing is I have a very high credit score one bogus bill isn't going to damage it

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    Default Re: Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

    Was this a private service, like AMR or was it the local FD/paramedic service, if available? This can make a significant difference.

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    Default Re: Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

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    The other thing is I have a very high credit score one bogus bill isn't going to damage it
    If you say so.

    Your insurer should NOT be paying the bill because it involves a work place injury which should be covered under WC. You need to get a WC case opened and make sure you employer submits whatever they need to so that the claim can be filed that way. If WC won't pay it then you're on your own.

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    Default Re: Billed for an Ambulance Despite Refusing Service

    It appears that Pennsylvania, like many other states, allows local government entities to pass ordinances charging a fee for emergency service, usually billed to insurance companies. We have similar programs in some agencies in my state where merely rolling to the scene can result in a billing. Whether that is the case here, who knows? But, given the low cost of the billing, and the sample billing services memorandums I have seen seem to indicate $125 as the model fee, I'm thinking that's what is happening here. As such, you might consider paying the bill, or, risk a collections account for the original $150 and maybe up to $500 more. Frustrating to be sure, but, if you do not not address it, you could be fighting it.

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