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    Default Can You Push Somebody Who is On Your Property Without Permission

    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Florida

    I was in my home office and heard yelling outside in my driveway. I went out and found two people, apparently neighbors, male/and female, in my driveway, coming toward my lanai door and yelling at my wife who was standing near the door. I told them I had no idea what was going on, but that they need to stop yelling at my wife and leave my property. They refused. At that point, having little idea of their intentions, I pushed them toward the road, off of my property. They were riding bikes, and I also moved them from my driveway into the road. I told the guy he had no right being on my property, and disrespecting my wife the way he was. He came at me and punched the left side of my head twice. My first instinct was to respond accordingly, but I caught myself and told him that I intend to press charges against him. He laughed and as they rode away on their bikes he yelled out his address. I called the police, and was told since I made physical contact with them first, I can't press charges? This seems a little disjointed to me. I did not attack them. I told them to leave my property, they refused and I took necessary action to get them off my property and protect my wife. I had no intention of inflicting bodily harm. But he did. There were witnesses. Thoughts?

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

    I did not attack them.
    Yes, you did.

    Your own words:

    I pushed them

    I also moved them
    Moving toward them in a threatening manner was the assault. Laying hands on them which is the very definition of battery.

    I took necessary action to get them off my property and protect my wife.
    No, you didn't.

    As long as they were just talking, you had no justifiable reason to move toward them.

    What you should have done was gotten your wife inside the house, locked the door and called the police from inside the house.

    Read the Florida Justifiable Use of Force statutes:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...entsIndex.html

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    I suspect the officers were protecting you from yourself. Sure, you could have requested charges against the other guy for hitting you, but he could have also sought to have charges filed against YOU for battery as well. And, since you had just attacked him, he might have a case for self defense.

    As adjusterjack stated, the better move would probably have been to have gotten your wife inside the house and called the police.

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

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    I suspect the officers were protecting you from yourself. Sure, you could have requested charges against the other guy for hitting you, but he could have also sought to have charges filed against YOU for battery as well. And, since you had just attacked him, he might have a case for self defense.

    As adjusterjack stated, the better move would probably have been to have gotten your wife inside the house and called the police.

    Thank you for your responses. I guess I was one law degree short of understanding my rights. Thanks again, I appreciate your comments and advice.

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

    I think that the problem is that the "Castle Doctrine" has gotten so much press that people just accept the concept in the abstract without checking the nuances of the applicable statutes.

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

    776.013 
    Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to usea) Nondeadly force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force; or

    History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27; s. 4, ch. 2014-195; s. 1, ch. 2017-77.
    the castle doctrine law is a defense to using force as a defense when there is a reasonable belief one will be subject to unlawful force (attack). Your action was intending to cause the other party to leave. It was not a defensive action but an offensive act.

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

    OP, did you fear for your wife's safety?

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    Default Re: My Rights Protecting My Property and My Wife

    In Florida you can use reasonable non-deadly force to defend your property if you are ejecting a trespasser. People standing in your driveway are not initially trespassers, but when you told them to leave and they refused they then became trespassers. Read 776.031 of the Florida statutes.

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    Still, confronting unknown idiots can have deadly consequences. It would still have been advisable to have gone inside and called the police rather than confronting individuals he did not know. It is also a rebuttable presumption that force was necessary in the given situation, especially given that there is likely to be two version of events.

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    With Florida's multiple, poorly drafted laws addressing self-defense, and adding case law to the mix, I can see why the police would not want to get into a battle of various self-defense theories.

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