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    Default Re: Violence at a Protest Rally

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    Having some personal knowledge of two events in Berkeley (including the one referred to in the above video), the orders that effectively were "stand down" orders came from upon high. The first, from Admin at UC Berkeley, and the one above from BPD administration with some conflicting tales of city hall involvement.

    At least in CA (and to a good extent, OR and WA as well), there is a serious political reluctance to intervene against protesters and rioters that are to the left side of the spectrum. In CA's case, it comes from a continued rush to coddle the criminal and the deviant, and disparage all that might raise a hand to question the increased taxes, red ink, and socialist legislation.
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    (Not worth it ... all of that criminal and deviant activity taking over my brain, obviously)

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    Edited.

    (Not worth it ... all of that criminal and deviant activity taking over my brain, obviously)
    Missed whatever it was. Maybe it is the daily dope and petty theft arrests (among the criminal and deviant by an objective standard) of the same people that are driving me nuts.

    If it was that query about personally observed protests in WA or OR, that would be zero. How many am I aware of through friends that worked them? Quite a number. Are ALL protests filled with violence and destruction? Of course not. We here in CA seem to have a greater tolerance for such acts than many other places. Ironically, the destruction seems to occur in those places that tend to favor the political leanings of the rioters.

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    Default Re: Violence at a Protest Rally

    Exactly, Carl.

    I certainly miss the weather and scenery in CA, but I am still glad I got out when I did...although WA aint exactly a bastion of law & order ferver, either

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    Default Re: Violence at a Protest Rally

    All the more reason why I intend to flee in 3 1/2 years when I get retirement #2.

    With increased taxes, rising utility rates even with cut use, a soft-on-crime/anti-police attitude, and an ever increasing likelihood of state and local insolvency to varying degrees, it's time to flee.

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    Default Re: Violence at a Protest Rally

    I guess I'll chime in here, two months later (and a month after the most recent post).

    This woman was caught on camera throwing glass bottles at 'pro-free-speech' members, which exploded on impact both from the force of the contact with the ground, as well as M80 firecrackers inside the glass. This was documented to be happening several times. In one instance and from another angle, just before the punch delivered to her, she's seen carrying another glass bottle (green, I believe), likely with the same intent. For all intents and purposes, at Berkeley they had IEDs.

    Is it self-defense in this case? Depends on what she has in her hands, if anything.

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