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    Default Re: Mentioning Defendant's Statement Re. Prior Crimes in New Civil Complaint - Extort

    The information about the kick back is not relevant to your current dispute regarding the property you bought. That being the case, it would be unwise to include it in your complaint. And if all you have for evidence of the kickbacks is some oral statement he gave you 10 years ago I suggest you not mention it to anyone at this point. You could get yourself caught up in a defamation claim and if you cannot prove the claim is true, that could cost you. Note that the IRS will not be interested in going back 10 years on this without some really specific information regarding the kickbacks — amounts he received, from whom, etc. Finally, the timing of releasing this information could end up hurting your case rather than helping it by dinging your credibility. Someone hearing your claim might well think: “cwb says this guy was taking bribes and yet for 10 years cwb said nothing about it. Now all of the sudden he comes out with this claim now. Why? Oh, because cwb is now suing the guy. Might cwb have made this up just to bolster his claim? After all, if it was true why didn't cwb report it to the state 10 years ago? Didn’t he care that the public was getting ripped off? Or does he only now care because he himself is getting ripped off?”

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    You could be found in contempt for knowingly maligning your opponent when it is irrelevant to your complaint. You could be fined, maybe jailed for the enormity of it.
    Well, no. While I agree that disclosure of this claim could be a problem if he lacks evidence, what you suggest is not one of the problems he’d face. Contempt of court is the violation of a court order directed at the person being held in contempt. Unless there was a court order in place against the OP that prohibited him from making the disclosure of his claim he would not be facing contempt of court.

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    Default Re: Mentioning Defendant's Statement Re. Prior Crimes in New Civil Complaint - Extort

    You both bring up good points, however my intent would not be to malign or shame him publically. In fact, probably no one except him and his attorney would see my recollection of his prior statement. I imagine they would object to its inclusion in the complaint, we would remove it and that would be that. He and I both know that he made the statement and I would not be trying to prove it to anyone else. But at least he would know I remember what he said and it would give him food for thought.

    Perhaps the IRS would not be interested, however it could be a substantial amount of money he received, and they might find it worth investigating if they received an anonymous tip. He held a fairly high profile position and it probably wouldn't be too difficult to audit a sample of the contracts he approved if they maintain records that far back, which they probably do. The thought of going to prison might cause him to re-evaluate how he does business.

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    You both bring up good points, however my intent would not be to malign or shame him publically. In fact, probably no one except him and his attorney would see my recollection of his prior statement. I imagine they would object to its inclusion in the complaint, we would remove it and that would be that. He and I both know that he made the statement and I would not be trying to prove it to anyone else. But at least he would know I remember what he said and it would give him food for thought.

    Perhaps the IRS would not be interested, however it could be a substantial amount of money he received, and they might find it worth investigating if they received an anonymous tip. He held a fairly high profile position and it probably wouldn't be too difficult to audit a sample of the contracts he approved if they maintain records that far back, which they probably do. The thought of going to prison might cause him to re-evaluate how he does business.
    Your rationale is too convoluted and too hypothetical for the actual claims you should be pursuing: unjust enrichment, fraud, breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty, etc. Toying with the IRS idea so as to leverage your case might still sound in extortion and will obfuscate the presentation of whatever legitimate cause of action (claims) you might have.

    Some months ago I read an appellate opinion in the direction of what Taxing Matters pointed out:
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    if it was true why didn't cwb report it to the state 10 years ago? Didn’t he care that the public was getting ripped off? Or does he only now care because he himself is getting ripped off?”
    I can't recall the substance of the case, the court, or state/jurisdiction (sorry, I don't take notes of every judicial opinion I read each month), but denouncing an unrelated offense only when it became convenient didn't help that party's position.

    If you want to report him to the IRS, do it regardless of your judicial proceedings. That way you might be prevent others from being defrauded by that person.

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    my intent would not be to malign or shame him publically.
    Bull.

    That's exactly what you want to do.

    Or you wouldn't be contemplating it.

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    You both bring up good points, however my intent would not be to malign or shame him publically. In fact, probably no one except him and his attorney would see my recollection of his prior statement. I imagine they would object to its inclusion in the complaint, we would remove it and that would be that. He and I both know that he made the statement and I would not be trying to prove it to anyone else. But at least he would know I remember what he said and it would give him food for thought.

    Perhaps the IRS would not be interested, however it could be a substantial amount of money he received, and they might find it worth investigating if they received an anonymous tip. He held a fairly high profile position and it probably wouldn't be too difficult to audit a sample of the contracts he approved if they maintain records that far back, which they probably do. The thought of going to prison might cause him to re-evaluate how he does business.
    Actually you are trying to malign or shame him...it's all over your statements.

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    Default Re: Mentioning Defendant's Statement Re. Prior Crimes in New Civil Complaint - Extort

    Where exactly did I say that I intend to malign him publically? He's a dishonest person who has cheated former employers and taxpayers. I believe this is relevant, though I understand why it's not admissible. In any case, I agree that it's probably not a good idea to mention this is the complaint, although it might make sense to bring up at a later stage. Perhaps I was hoping that mentioning it might make him feel guilty, which could result in a quicker settlement.

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    Where exactly did I say that I intend to malign him publically? He's a dishonest person who has cheated former employers and taxpayers. I believe this is relevant, though I understand why it's not admissible. In any case, I agree that it's probably not a good idea to mention this is the complaint, although it might make sense to bring up at a later stage. Perhaps I was hoping that mentioning it might make him feel guilty, which could result in a quicker settlement.
    You're delusion if you think that will help your case at all, ever.

    It won't.

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    Where exactly did I say that I intend to malign him publically? He's a dishonest person who has cheated former employers and taxpayers. I believe this is relevant, though I understand why it's not admissible. In any case, I agree that it's probably not a good idea to mention this is the complaint, although it might make sense to bring up at a later stage. Perhaps I was hoping that mentioning it might make him feel guilty, which could result in a quicker settlement.
    "Perhaps the IRS would not be interested, however it could be a substantial amount of money he received, and they might find it worth investigating if they received an anonymous tip." You want to use it as blackmail and you have malignant purposes behind your idea. If he's such a bad guy why didn't you report this when it happened? Even anonymously to the IRS then and not now when you think it might benefit you?

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    Complaints filed in court are public record. So if you put it in the complaint, there will be others who will see it (at least the court clerk and judge) and any one in the public would have access to it. So doing that does indeed air the complaint publicly.
    Thanks, I wasn't aware that all complaints become public record shortly after filing. I did later read that complaints are protected from defamation actions, but I agree that mentioning his statement isn't worth the risk since it doesn't directly relate to the case. Note however that I never wanted to accuse him of corruption. I wanted to state that he told me he committed corruption, which he did. Not sure if that would matter.

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    Two points on that. First, the statute of limitations for prosecution on federal felony tax offenses, including tax evasion, is six years. It is too late for the IRS and DOJ to criminally prosecute him for it. So he doesn’t have the worry of prison over this. Second, all the IRS can do at this point is assess the extra tax he owes plus interest and penalty. That would be expensive for him, but for the IRS to succeed, it needs to prove the amount of the unreported income.
    Yes, it's been too long and it's unlikely the IRS would be able to obtain any solid evidence. Reporting him could however cause them to review his returns since then, which might raise more red flags worth looking into. But that has nothing to do with my case, which hopefully is strong enough to prevail on its own. Even if it isn't, I can live with it and move on.

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    You're delusion if you think that will help your case at all, ever. It won't.
    I prefer to call it curious or stubborn.

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    "Perhaps the IRS would not be interested, however it could be a substantial amount of money he received, and they might find it worth investigating if they received an anonymous tip." You want to use it as blackmail and you have malignant purposes behind your idea. If he's such a bad guy why didn't you report this when it happened? Even anonymously to the IRS then and not now when you think it might benefit you?
    Anonymous and blackmail are incongruent. I could still report him anonymously after our dispute is over, but I probably won't. That doesn't mean he is innocent.

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    Thanks, I wasn't aware that all complaints become public record shortly after filing. I did later read that complaints are protected from defamation actions, but I agree that mentioning his statement isn't worth the risk since it doesn't directly relate to the case. Note however that I never wanted to accuse him of corruption. I wanted to state that he told me he committed corruption, which he did. Not sure if that would matter.


    Yes, it's been too long and it's unlikely the IRS would be able to obtain any solid evidence. Reporting him could however cause them to review his returns since then, which might raise more red flags worth looking into. But that has nothing to do with my case, which hopefully is strong enough to prevail on its own. Even if it isn't, I can live with it and move on.


    I prefer to call it curious or stubborn.


    Anonymous and blackmail are incongruent. I could still report him anonymously after our dispute is over, but I probably won't. That doesn't mean he is innocent.
    He is legally innocent actually. He hasn't been convicted of anything you're accusing him of doing. Morally probably not. But morality doesn't really matter in the criminal justice system. Innocent until proven guilty.

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