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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    jk,

    Some laws (especially municipal laws) are either unconstitutional or in conflict with federal or state law. So the law its-self can be illegal. An example is laws banning sleeping in your car while parked on-street (or even more draconian: on private property). Such a law is discriminatory against the poor and therefore a violation of the equal protection clause.

    See here for example:

    http://www.npr.org/2015/08/14/432280...eeping-outside

    In my original post I was looking for examples of situations that we could create where we would not be violating any (legitimate) law but where irresponsible / malicious police might engage in some sort of civil rights violation. The purpose being we could do the job internal affairs is not doing and the police are not doing and actually protect the public. So I listed a few laws that are common, and yet unconstitutional and easy for a seasoned attorney to beat. But I'm not happy with them, I'm looking for more / better. These were just examples to illustrate the point.

    Our troll, who is amazingly a "senior member" responded (incorrectly) that none of those unconstitutional laws are illegal.

    Does that clear it up?

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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    I was asking llworking as I was trying to understand his/her stastatement. Laws cannot be illegal. They can be a lot of things but being illegal is not one of them. The fact they are a law in fact makes them legal.

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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    Quote Quoting rescueme
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    jk,

    some laws (especially municipal laws) are either unconstitutional or in conflict with federal or state law. So the law its-self can be illegal. An example is laws banning sleeping in your car while parked on-street (or even more draconian: On private property). Such a law is discriminatory against the poor and therefore a violation of the equal protection clause.

    See here for example:

    http://www.npr.org/2015/08/14/432280...eeping-outside

    in my original post i was looking for examples of situations that we could create where we would not be violating any (legitimate) law but where irresponsible / malicious police might engage in some sort of civil rights violation. The purpose being we could do the job internal affairs is not doing and the police are not doing and actually protect the public. So i listed a few laws that are common, and yet unconstitutional and easy for a seasoned attorney to beat. But i'm not happy with them, i'm looking for more / better. These were just examples to illustrate the point.

    Our troll, who is amazingly a "senior member" responded (incorrectly) that none of those unconstitutional laws are illegal.

    Does that clear it up?
    q4p

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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    A cop enforcing a local ordinance that is not necessarily a “corrupt” cop. If the ordinance has not yet been struck down by the courts then the cop may in good faith enforce that law. Sure, the law might get struck down later when you challenge in court, but that’s not a reflection on the cop.

    As far as suing for civil rights violations in federal court the Supreme Court has held that all you can get is $1 unless you have actual damages as a result of the violation, i.e. financial loss, etc. Some federal statutes do allow the court to award attorneys fees, however, so the lawyers might come out all right, but unless you suffer any legally recognized damages you’ll get no more than $1 for your time, trouble, and expense. Perhaps your state would allow for more in statutory damages, though I’m not aware of any state that does that.

    Making a habit of baiting cops and then trying to sue for the civil rights violations is generally not a very effective way to try to play the role of internal affairs, but is an excellent way to give you a bad reputation with the local cops. You’d want to tread carefully and not give them a real reason to bust you if you go down that road.

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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    Quote Quoting rescueme
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    What civil rights lawsuits would be easiest to win and also easy to bait corrupt police with?
    Do you really think that a crooked cop is going to be so easy to simply find, identify and sue???

    How far would the police have to go for you to win something? Just stop you? Stop you and harass you about it? For how long? Arrest/booking?
    The answer is, "It depends ...." But, since most exercises of discretion - even if in error - are not going to be sufficiently damaging to result in any serious lawsuit.

    Others have suggested that the following laws are illegal (I have not checked)
    Parking curfews
    Park curfews
    No camping in parks
    No sleeping in your car in a public parking spot
    Walking around in boxer shorts (and nothing else)
    Walking around with a visible (under fabric, not naked) erection
    Then I suggest that you actually check your state's laws and local ordinances and see if any of these might be unlawful where you are.

    Someone else told me that just stopping you / asking for your id under those circumstances is a violation of equal protection (harassing you for being poor). Any truth to that?
    Not really, no.

    Dude ... Are you on uppers on an all night binge or something?

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    Default Re: Easy "Stings" for Municiple Civil Rights Violators / How to Bait Bad Cops

    Cops waking people up in their parked cars, making them corrupt.


    What a horrible, terrible country we live in. Such corruption.

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