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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Thief

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    Just go into court and say everything you've said here in exactly the same way. Be sure to come back on here and let us know how it turned out (in about 6 months when you are released.)
    You're a real jerk you know that?? Is that your sole purpose in coming on these threads and commenting to people's posts to degrade them and make them feel less than human? Does belittling others and acting like a total errogant a-hole make you feel like a better person?? Or do you actually have any helpful information for anyone?? I will not undermine what I did. It was very wrong, I broke the law, I will pay for it in whatever way the court seems suitable and I realize there is nothing I can do about that.

    I've seen some of the other threads you've posted on and you seem to take pleasure in belittling people and defining them by the bad choices they've made in life. I made this very very bad choice. Whether you believe me or not I don't care but I can say with total soundness of mind right now that I will NEVER do something like this again. I will take whatever steps necessary to make sure I never act this stupidly again in the future. If any human were perfect we wouldn't have forums like this would we?? None of us are perfect Mr Deputy Dog including you. I'm sure you have at some point in your life made a bad choice and had to deal with the consequences, to whatever degree they may have been.

    I do not personally believe that ANYONE, not just myself, should be defined by the wrong decisions or, yes, MISTAKES they've made in their life. Especially if they use it as an opportunity to learn and change their life for the better.

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    Default Re: What's the Punishment for a Second Time Shoplifting Offense

    Mrg1234: after you speak to your lawyer will you please come back and let us know how it went? This happened to me as well on Monday but my first offense and I was hysterical as well. Only my husband knows because he had to come get me, of course, and it was an hour from where we live. But I'm ashamed of myself. My husband has been very supportive of me knowing this is extremely not like me. I have felt a little more calm after researching non stop. Here's something I did... I called some lawyers all of which I haven't even been able to speak to yet they are all supposed to "call back" I have money to pay for them. I actually have a phone consult with one on Tuesday so I'm looking forward to that. So I looked up the county website in which I was arrested and checked on their court case records and searched by the lawyers name to see results on their cases. I found that they all had very successfully helped people in my situation avoid jail time. (Which is my main concern since I have 2 small children that I am a stay at home mother for and we live no where near family or friends and my husband has to work to provide for us. I don't work because quite frankly I would be working just to pay for day care because it is outrageous here.) So I looked up the lawyers case results and what I found here in the county I was arrested in (which I've heard is one of the strictest counties in Texas) is that most first time offenders got deferred adjudication... probation and community service and a fine. Some were lucky to have it dismissed but in my case the amount was $375 and I feel like that is probably too high to be dismissed. Second time offenders I noticed a lot of them were offered probation and community service and a fine but I noticed some that had 30 days in jail. I don't know if they were offered that or not but they had plead guilty. (And most had more than two offenses) also, I think some people here in this county prefer to take the jail time over probation considering it's shorter. (Not me!) I, too, have been beating myself at why I did this. Honestly, I've been stressed about Christmas for my children and what I took was Christmas presents for my children. I made a big mistake and I'm paying for it. I've been completely sick and my court date isn't until the very end of febuary... I have almost 3 months to feel sick. I can assure you I am completely embarrassed and sorry and I will never do that again in my life. But anyways... You should try looking up lawyers results of what you were charged with...it really helps give you an idea of what to expect. It is all public information and if you see something similar to yours go back and check the persons previous records and you can see if this is their first offense and so on.

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    You came onto this board asking what the consequences were for being a repeat shoplifter and for advice. The consequences are more severe, with potential jail time and that you should seek the advice to seek an attorney.

    In your first post you claimed that you were caught shoplifting the first time 5 years ago and that you received a deferred adjudication, which is still a conviction, though you claim that now it "dropped and done away with" but under WA law a deferred adjudication is still considered a conviction and will appear on your record (RCW 10.97.030(1) ). You blame (though you've refuted that you blame it at this point) depression, other stressors and financial hardship. You talk a lot about your children but they are irrelevant.

    In your second post you mention that Deputy Dog probably hasn't researched mental health as much as you, but it doesn't matter. You claim that these actions are inexplicable. If they are inexplicable how do you know that you've not done this in the past, beyond the one other time you mention, in a fit of depression and despair? In your first paragraph you acknowledge that you are a thief and then in the last claim that you aren't. Which is it? You ARE convicted, after all, even though the charges are dismissed, per the RCW noted above.

    Third post: you claim to not be a serial criminal but, as this is your second offense, that we know of, you are in point of fact, a serial criminal. you continue to ramble on about you having made a mistake but what does that mean? What, precisely is the mistake? That you did it? that you got caught? It's inexplicable, remember, and you claimed, earlier to have done this consciously so, not really a mistake, not in the way that you seem to mean it. You continue to ramble on about your children and mental illness and how you feel mistreated on this forum, but, it seems it's because, so far, you've not liked the answers that were forthcoming. If you came here for hand holding, this is not the place and unfortunately, strangers delivering difficult information can seem hostile.

    4th post: a second thread started and then added in to this one.

    5th post: You calling someone out for being rude when they asked the obvious question as to why you started a second thread.

    6th: More goings on about mental illness and how rude people are for their responses. Seeing a pattern yet?

    7th: You don't like what I have to say in my first post. You dispute me calling you a serial or repeat criminal. It's not dependent on you having a long rap sheet, it's about you committing the same crime twice...ever. As to my putting you in a class with murderers and bank robbers, I didn't. I said that they, just like shop lifters, look like everybody else and you can't distinguish them simply by looking at them. As to your self worth, I'm not interested in building it up or tearing it down. Further down you call into question the advice given here (see paragraph 1) and express dissatisfaction with how people are treating you.

    8th: You attack another for stating facts that you provided us; you have been convicted of shoplifting once and are being charged a second time.

    9th: nothing but ad hominem attacks. you do know what those are, right? Those are when you attack the person but not the argument.

    And that's it. That's the whole of your posts. ranting about how people here are trying to hurt you, offering depression as mitigation and insisting, alternately that you are/aren't a thief.

    Let me be clear, I don't care about you, not in the way that you seem to think, and neither does anyone here. We have no investment in your well being or happiness. I hope that you succeed in your treatment for what ails you.

    And like shoplifter, murderers and bank robbers, perhaps you'll pass me on the street in WA and you won't even know...

  4. #24
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    "In your first post you claimed that you were caught shoplifting the first time 5 years ago and that you received a deferred adjudication, which is still a conviction, though you claim that now it "dropped and done away with" but under WA law a deferred adjudication is still considered a conviction and will appear on your record (RCW 10.97.030(1) ). You blame (though you've refuted that you blame it at this point) depression, other stressors and financial hardship. You talk a lot about your children but they are irrelevant"


    @MARK47n Actually, the deferred adjudication I got, or diversion however you'd like to refer to it, is NOT a conviction. A lawyer confirmed that for me when I met with him last week. All it shows on my record is that there was some sort of charge brought against me, and that it was dismissed. Also, I had no problem with ppl's responses, I had an issue with some of the ppl's judgmental wretched attitude and comments, when I thought that this was just supposed to be an 'informational' forum. Also, I don't even remember what you & I commemted to each other before, and, my bad for starting a second thread, as you can tell I'm not experienced at using these forums. I really don't care to address the rest of your comment as I didn't even finish reading it. Also, my children may be irrelevant to you, but they are NOT irrelevant to me. Thanks

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    I know the worry & sickness you're feeling all too well. I did meet with a great attorney last week who eased a lot of my fear and stress. It looks like you read my whole post, so you saw that I did have a prior offense. All I can tell you is my own experience from that. I went into my court date with no attorney having no idea what to expect, and at that time since it was my first offense and I had no record of any kind they automatically offered me a diversion. That meant they set the case aside for a year and as long as I stayed out of trouble and committed no crimes, they dismissed it after that year. Which is what happened, so I have no convictions of any kind on my record. It shows there was a charge brought against me but that it was dropped.

    As to what the attorney told me regarding this, it being a second offense, he was very encouraging. In our state, as long as the value of the goods was under $750, which it was, that it's the lowest class of misdemeanor charge that could be brought against me. He used to work as a prosecutor in out very county, and has been a criminal defense attorney for 16yrs. He's defended hundreds, if not thpusands of cases exactly like mine. He said that all the factors I've mentioned here that everyone is telling me no judge or prosecutor will care about, such as my mental health etc absolutely would be taken into consideration. He gave me very high hopes that I could possibly walk away from this without a criminal conviction on my record. He thinks I'll probably be able to get some kind of probation with classes and community service.

    He did tell me, that WORST case scenario, which he does not expect to happen, would be having to plead guilty to the charge and one night in jail with higher fines and probation. Needless to say I left my appointment with much less stress and anxiety. I had literally been physically sick all week. I feel sympathy for you as I know what you're feeling and going through, and believe when say this is very unlike you and not in your nature. In spite of the fact that I HAVE done this twice now, it's not in mine either. Regardless of what any of the judgmental ppl on this forum like to spew out at me.

    I'd say that from the research I've done, what my attorney told me, what you've told me about your situation and the circumstances surrounding you and from personal experience, that you've got a very good chance of being offered a diversion the same way I was on my first offense 5yrs ago. I know what it's like to make a huge mistake and be genuinely sorry and ashamed. And yes, regardless of what some very judgmental and unkind ppl on this forum have to say, what we did WAS A MISTAKE that obviously we both regret very much. my best wishes to you and hoping for a happy outcome for you.

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    A mistake is putting on one blue sock and one grey sock in the morning.

    What am I missing?

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    A mistake is putting on one blue sock and one grey sock in the morning.

    What am I missing?
    Definition of MISTAKE:An action or judgment that is misguided or wrong. To make an error, slip up, commit a wrongdoing.

    Putting on two different colored socks is plain bad luck. Doing something stupid, making a bad choice, an error that you completely regret, is a MISTAKE.

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    Definition of MISTAKE:An action or judgment that is misguided or wrong. To make an error, slip up, commit a wrongdoing.

    Putting on two different colored socks is plain bad luck. Doing something stupid, making a bad choice, an error that you completely regret, is a MISTAKE.
    No crime is involved when you put on one grey sock and one blue sock. Shoplifting is a crime. A crime that you have committed twice.

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    Default Re: What's the Punishment for a Second Time Shoplifting Offense

    Thanks so much for your response! Sounds like you got good news. I spoke with my lawyer Friday and I feel so much better. Despite what the people here say, I do believe sometimes good people do make poor decisions. I being one of them. My attorney however told me that since the dollar amount of mine was on the high side that I probably won't get a pre-trial diversion but he told me he will have no problem getting me deferred adjudication since my records clean and my first offense. He said I'll get 15 months probation and probably about a $200 fine. But said as long as I do good he can more than likely get me off probation at 7 months. He told me would be able to help me get it off my record but after reading all these forums I feel like that isn't possible considering my state and a class b misdemeanor but he's the attorney not me or anyone on here that I've seen. So I guess he knows something he can do. He's been doing it for 21 years. I know most people don't believe others are sorry when they do something like this .. I probably wouldn't have in the past and mine truly was an idiotic idea I had that I regret and can't stop thinking about why I did it. I'm so ashamed and embarrassed. We have been having financial issues and I wanted to get some things for my kids so that they would be happy on Christmas. (The things I attempted to take were children's items) They were small toys/clothes and I honestly don't even know how the total added up to be what it was that the store said ($375). Honestly, I am just going to ignore any judgement anyone passes on me. I've already prayed for forgiveness and will be paying for my actions. I feel like I should take my experience of this to teach others to never do this and make that mistake but who listens? I obviously didn't.

    I hope you are feeling confident and have some peace of mind. Don't do it again

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    You had better hope the judge believes you to be such an exceptional person, this was only the second time. Statistically you are a liar and that is what the judge will be assessing. Even if you are lucky to receive deferred adjudication, it will show up in most background checks and you will be carrying it on your back for life. hopefully, you will at least use your lack of judgment as a teaching tool for your children so they learn how dishonesty can affect their lives.

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    Default Re: Any Info on Possible Outcome of Second Shoplifting Offense

    Preferably, death.

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