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    Virginia has a case currently under appeal - the father is trying to have the whole thing tossed, and it does look like (from the very quick scan) the court will rule in his favor.

    What worries me - and I do not say this loosely - is the very, very troubling issue of wanting to control Mom. I understand there are cultural differences at play here, but I believe she has perhaps been talking with her American friends and they've likely counseled her in the ways of Equality 101.

    That's assuming that Mom is also from Asia, a fact we can't confirm at this point. However if she's not, then I believe it's pretty obvious where the marital strife originated.

    This one? Just makes me... I don't know. Goose-pimply. In the bad way.
    The way that I see it is that he clearly wants to be waited upon and pampered by his wife, and since she is not giving that to him, he wants to go home to Asia where he will be waited upon and pampered by his mother.

    He also doesn't want to be obligated to pay alimony and child support based on his current income, because he is going to be earning only a fraction of that in Asia.

    He obviously either doesn't want custody of his children or knows that he cannot get custody of his children since he is leaving for Asia in a couple of months, therefore that makes the whole video taping bit even more foolish. If somehow he has the idea that CPS will take the children away from mom, and then let him take the children outside of the country then he is truly living in fantasyland.

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    Well I Stand corrected....there is a pretty good article on line by a VA attorney Coughter dealing with vicarious permission and parental recording of what kids are doing etc...

    - - - Updated - - -

    I still think it's a dumb idea.

    Article,is longer....could not get link to,work

    What Are The Legal Ramifications Of Videotaping Or Recording An Adverse Party’s Telephone Conversations?
    By Elizabeth Coughter

    Currently in Virginia, there are laws that prohibit the videotaping or filming of another and the illegal interception of a wire, electronic or oral communication. Virginia Code §18.2-386.1 makes it a crime to videotape, photograph or film a non-consenting person who is totally nude or clad in undergarments, or in a state of undress, so as to expose that person’s private parts and the circumstances are such that that person has a reasonable expectation of privacy. On the other hand, there is Virginia Code §19.2-61 et. seq. which is the Interception of Wire, Electronic or Oral Communications Act which is similar to the federal proscription against such conduct. 18 U.S.C. §2510 et. seq. These wiretapping statutes may also apply to videotaping and are broader in scope than §18.2-386.1.

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    The way that I see it is that he clearly wants to be waited upon and pampered by his wife, and since she is not giving that to him, he wants to go home to Asia where he will be waited upon and pampered by his mother.

    He also doesn't want to be obligated to pay alimony and child support based on his current income, because he is going to be earning only a fraction of that in Asia.
    That is totally not true. My wife is torturing me in purpose. The worse I feel, the happier she is. Maybe you have never heard of this kind of situation and you cannot image that. My health is falling apart, due to that I tolerate all these treatment and still support my family/my kids for the past 14 years. I have all the medical doctors' record in the past five, six years showing that I was telling the doctors that I cannot work. [Note: I didn't walk in to the clinic yesterday and told the doctor that I cannot work anymore and use that as a supporting document in the incoming court]. My tumor indicator was higher than normal level. My wife knows all these and she consider that a great opportunity to launch more attacks.
    She does not do any house work at all. She lies on her bed all day, except making a simple dinner with a bad mood. I tried my best taking care of the family.

    To be honest, my leaving to my original country is good for our marriage(if she withdraw all her petitions and I don't file divorce). She has to calm down and re-think about if this is really what she wants. Currently her mind is in a dead corner. I cannot drag her mind out of that corner. If the reality(i am back to my original country) can drag her mind out, our marriage is still possible to keep.

    However, she does not see this. As usual, she is looking for all possible means to give me hard time, never considering if she will gain anything from it. Filing all kinds of petitions(note: she doesn't want divorce, she didn't file for it) to make my leaving plan destroyed. To counter that, I will file divorce to get everything sort out.

    I am giving her every penny in my pocket(the house, 401K, cars) and promise her i will wire money to them in my best. She does not accept it. Not giving me a easy time is always her ultimate goal. [i came to US 24 years ago with $274 in my pocket. After spending all my best time in my life, i am leaving US with 0 penny in my pocket. ]

    I intend to believe that what I promise to give her is more than the court ruling, all the support in a lump sum plus my monthly wire.

    By the way, she tortures me due to her religious activity. When I mention to her that I am supporting the family, she said many times "I have God, I don't need anything". Now she is asking for spouse support, besides child support. Can I use that to argue in the court?

    At the last, I highly appreciate your criticism. Thank you. Your harsh criticism reminds me how to present my case to the court so that the the judge does not think that way.

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    what you are suggesting would almost certainly be several crimes. audio recording would be a crime as you would be recording conversations you are not a party to. Sneaking video recording devices into someone else's home would likely fall under voyeurism laws, so you could end up registered as a sex offender after you got out of jail.

    tl;dr: do not do this, you will go to jail if caught.

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    what you are suggesting would almost certainly be several crimes. audio recording would be a crime as you would be recording conversations you are not a party to. Sneaking video recording devices into someone else's home would likely fall under voyeurism laws, so you could end up registered as a sex offender after you got out of jail.

    tl;dr: do not do this, you will go to jail if caught.
    OK. Got it. Thank you guys. I won't do it.

    I asked that question purely out of curiosity. Thank you for all the replies.

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    That is totally not true. My wife is torturing me in purpose. The worse I feel, the happier she is. Maybe you have never heard of this kind of situation and you cannot image that. My health is falling apart, due to that I tolerate all these treatment and still support my family/my kids for the past 14 years. I have all the medical doctors' record in the past five, six years showing that I was telling the doctors that I cannot work. [Note: I didn't walk in to the clinic yesterday and told the doctor that I cannot work anymore and use that as a supporting document in the incoming court]. My tumor indicator was higher than normal level. My wife knows all these and she consider that a great opportunity to launch more attacks.
    Imagine the suffering you are causing and have caused your wife and children.

    She does not do any house work at all. She lies on her bed all day, except making a simple dinner with a bad mood. I tried my best taking care of the family.
    Liar.


    To be honest, my leaving to my original country is good for our marriage(if she withdraw all her petitions and I don't file divorce). She has to calm down and re-think about if this is really what she wants. Currently her mind is in a dead corner. I cannot drag her mind out of that corner. If the reality(i am back to my original country) can drag her mind out, our marriage is still possible to keep.
    If she has any sense, she'll be relieved for herself and the children and will live her life normally without your domineering and bullying. Remember, she has American friends - and they'll help her move heaven and earth.


    However, she does not see this. As usual, she is looking for all possible means to give me hard time, never considering if she will gain anything from it. Filing all kinds of petitions(note: she doesn't want divorce, she didn't file for it) to make my leaving plan destroyed. To counter that, I will file divorce to get everything sort out.
    This is absolute proof that you don't care a single bit about your children.


    I am giving her every penny in my pocket(the house, 401K, cars) and promise her i will wire money to them in my best. She does not accept it. Not giving me a easy time is always her ultimate goal. [i came to US 24 years ago with $274 in my pocket. After spending all my best time in my life, i am leaving US with 0 penny in my pocket.
    Life happens.


    I intend to believe that what I promise to give her is more than the court ruling, all the support in a lump sum plus my monthly wire.

    By the way, she tortures me due to her religious activity. When I mention to her that I am supporting the family, she said many times "I have God, I don't need anything". Now she is asking for spouse support, besides child support. Can I use that to argue in the court?
    You could use it to argue that you'll pay more alimony than she requests, sure. But otherwise no. Because, y'see, we don't interfere with someone else's religious beliefs as they pertain to child-rearing and marriage, human sacrifice notwithstanding.
    At the last, I highly appreciate your criticism. Thank you. Your harsh criticism reminds me how to present my case to the court so that the the judge does not think that way.
    This is where you really should be ashamed of yourself.

    You don't care about anything other than yourself. Your children? They're pawns to be used to your advantage. Not once have you mentioned what might be best for them. It's all about you.

    But here's the funny part. Nothing we've said will help you fight your wife in court. Now I don't expect you to grasp that, but I'm sure the other responders will know exactly what I mean.

    Do you understand?

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    [QUOTE=xsli2;904739]That is totally not true. My wife is torturing me in purpose. The worse I feel, the happier she is. Maybe you have never heard of this kind of situation and you cannot image that.[/quote[]

    Certainly I know of situations where one spouse is a bad spouse. That does not equate to torture.

    My health is falling apart, due to that I tolerate all these treatment and still support my family/my kids for the past 14 years. I have all the medical doctors' record in the past five, six years showing that I was telling the doctors that I cannot work. [Note: I didn't walk in to the clinic yesterday and told the doctor that I cannot work anymore and use that as a supporting document in the incoming court].
    Yet you still work making 8k a month.

    My tumor indicator was higher than normal level. My wife knows all these and she consider that a great opportunity to launch more attacks.
    Tumor "indicator"? What is that? Either you have tumors or you do not.

    She does not do any house work at all. She lies on her bed all day, except making a simple dinner with a bad mood. I tried my best taking care of the family.
    So, are you claiming that you do the laundry, clean the house, take the children to their school and doctor's appointments, run all the family errands, etc.? So far, the main thing that you seem to be complaining about is the fact that she won't make YOU dinner without complaining.

    On top of that, in other threads you have stated that she and the children are living apart from you, and if that is the case, the obviously you are not providing any of those services in her household.

    To be honest, my leaving to my original country is good for our marriage(if she withdraw all her petitions and I don't file divorce). She has to calm down and re-think about if this is really what she wants. Currently her mind is in a dead corner. I cannot drag her mind out of that corner. If the reality(i am back to my original country) can drag her mind out, our marriage is still possible to keep.
    Are you really naïve enough to think that she will turn into the kind of wife that you think she should be if you do all of that?

    However, she does not see this. As usual, she is looking for all possible means to give me hard time, never considering if she will gain anything from it. Filing all kinds of petitions(note: she doesn't want divorce, she didn't file for it) to make my leaving plan destroyed. To counter that, I will file divorce to get everything sort out.
    You can certainly file for divorce to get everything sorted out, but you cannot do it before your planned move to Asia and any attorney would tell you that your plans are foolish in the extreme.

    I am giving her every penny in my pocket(the house, 401K, cars) and promise her i will wire money to them in my best. She does not accept it. Not giving me a easy time is always her ultimate goal. [i came to US 24 years ago with $274 in my pocket. After spending all my best time in my life, i am leaving US with 0 penny in my pocket.
    Once again, your plans are foolish in the extreme

    I intend to believe that what I promise to give her is more than the court ruling, all the support in a lump sum plus my monthly wire.

    By the way, she tortures me due to her religious activity. When I mention to her that I am supporting the family, she said many times "I have God, I don't need anything". Now she is asking for spouse support, besides child support. Can I use that to argue in the court?
    No, that is irrelevant.

    At the last, I highly appreciate your criticism. Thank you. Your harsh criticism reminds me how to present my case to the court so that the the judge does not think that way.
    Unfortunately for you, you are going to get totaled in court.

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    One thing.

    I think he's talking about TNF - tumor necrosis factor. It basically regulates your immune cells and when it's elevated there's generally some sort of inflammatory process going on.

    (Although in some tumors it can actually indicate that the tumor is dying).

    OP is also Asian and simply because of that carries a higher risk of certain conditions (Hep B is the one that springs to mind). Hepatitis = inflammation of the liver.

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