Establishment of Probable Cause for a Drug Offense

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Honestly, you want know what the real issue was in all this? It was ego. The police didn't want to lose something they had invested so many resources into, humiliated so many institutions in their own jurisdiction over. They didn't want to get outsmarted by some punk kid they didn't like.

ok, so when this all started, what was the reason? Before they had anything invested in this, there were no ego issues. Maybe the fact is you got ratted out by somebody for committing a crime which you admit to and was proven. I have no way of knowing what anybody said that would suggest you were manufacturing or distributing drugs but generally the police or prosecutor is not going to investigate a crime without something to suggest there is reason to investigate it.

[Jache]

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again, you need to make friends at the computer sciences departments. Erasing is a possibility.
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Wow you love to play devils advocate here. Are you familiar with why an electronic device is sent to a national lab and $200,000 is spent to use forensic microscopes to analyze harddrives? Its because they can be used to detect DELETED data. There is nothing my little excursions to the computer science departments and the library could have done to subvert that.

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I sense there may be some ego in these threads as well. Is this a requirement to pursue a successful career in the judicial sciences?

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ok, so when this all started, what was the reason? Before they had anything invested in this, there were no ego issues. Maybe the fact is you got ratted out by somebody for committing a crime which you admit to and was proven. I have no way of knowing what anybody said that would suggest you were manufacturing or distributing drugs but generally the police or prosecutor is not going to investigate a crime without something to suggest there is reason to investigate it.

The reason is I had just been accused of domestic violence against a girl whose ENTIRE family was LE. Half of it was high powers in NYPD, the other half was high powers in ChiPD. Someone said some stuff to someone, and really pissed some police off because of it, and they were going to take care of things for them. Its called solidarity. And its a hallmark attribute of LE. Hence why domestic violence detectives were somehow in charge of a drug investigation.

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ok, so when this all started, what was the reason? Before they had anything invested in this, there were no ego issues. Maybe the fact is you got ratted out by somebody for committing a crime which you admit to and was proven. I have no way of knowing what anybody said that would suggest you were manufacturing or distributing drugs but generally the police or prosecutor is not going to investigate a crime without something to suggest there is reason to investigate it.

jk - You don't have anything better to do on a lovely summer weekend than to indulge a troll?

[Jache]

How am I trolling? Is that all you got? You want a go?

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Wow you love to play devils advocate here. Are you familiar with why an electronic device is sent to a national lab and $200,000 is spent to use forensic microscopes to analyze harddrives? Its because they can be used to detect DELETED data. There is nothing my little excursions to the computer science departments and the library could have done to subvert that.

dude, apparently you are not familiar with why information can be extracted from a storage device long after the user "deletes" it. Yes, you can make computer storage clean if you know how to do it.

I sense there may be some ego in these threads as well. Is this a requirement to pursue a successful career in the judicial sciences?

I don't know as I am nearing my retirement and my career was not in the legal field at all.

The reason is I had just been accused of domestic violence against a girl whose ENTIRE family was LE. Half of it was high powers in NYPD, the other half was high powers in ChiPD. Someone said some stuff to someone, and really pissed some police off because of it, and they were going to take care of things for them. Its called solidarity. And its a hallmark attribute of LE. Hence why domestic violence detectives were somehow in charge of a drug investigation

yet you were convicted of possession of drugs. Do you want to argue she planted them and then ratted you out?

How do you get from DV to drugs?

Seriously, the budget of any police department is not going to allow for a wild goose chase to the tune of over a quarter million bucks if there is nothing to support the investigation.

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You want a go?

What's a "go?" I'd rather have a mint julep.

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jk - You don't have anything better to do on a lovely summer weekend than to indulge a troll?

I probably do but...well, you've been around for quite awhile and know me pretty well by now. When have I walked away from a stupid argument?

maybe it's the dad in me but somewhere along the line I keep thinking the kids I address will actually learn something so I keep at it.

[Jache]

dude, apparently you are not familiar with why information can be extracted from a storage device long after the user "deletes" it. Yes, you can make computer storage clean if you know how to do it.

Well I can safely say I never knew that, nor did I know anyone who could do it. And honestly, if I were that calculating and cunning to ever think of doing something like that in a manufacturing operation... I deserved to get away with it. That's on the level of Breaking Bad.

Yes, I was convicted of possessing drugs. A pretty serious offense, and I deserve blame for it. Have I learned from my lessons and no longer experiment with stimulants? Absolutely. I'm not here to argue any lies or anything that didn't happen, and just want to know how it was allowed to happen. That was tax payer money, it didn't belong to the detectives, it didn't belong to my ex GF, and it didn't belong to the police department. This whole investigation was completely hidden from media, that's not right, the public deserves to know how its resources are spent.

Went from DV to drugs because domestic violence detective interviewing ex-GF was told that I was making drugs in my lab. Lab was entered by police and a drug was found in my workplace desk. Very stupid for me to leave a drug in a desk, but that's how it all started.

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What's a "go?" I'd rather have a mint julep.

I tend to make dull jokes when I drink too...

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Jache;903562]Well I can safely say I never knew that, nor did I know anyone who could do it. And honestly, if I were that calculating and cunning to ever think of doing something like that in a manufacturing operation... I deserved to get away with it. That's on the level of Breaking Bad.

wow, just wow.

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Yes, I was convicted of possessing drugs. A pretty serious offense, and I deserve blame for it. Have I learned from my lessons and no longer experiment with stimulants? Absolutely. I'm not here to argue any lies or anything that didn't happen, and just want to know how it was allowed to happen. That was tax payer money, it didn't belong to the detectives, it didn't belong to my ex GF, and it didn't belong to the police department. This whole investigation was completely hidden from media, that's not right, the public deserves to know how its resources are spent.

you are upset because an investigation, that is legally allowed to be kept from the public eye since disclosure could jeopardize the investigation, was kept from the public? An investigation is allowed to be kept confidential since disclosure of the investigation could allow a suspect to destroy evidence before the police discover it. It could also tip off a suspect that may flee before enough evidence is gained to be able to detain them.

are you even from the US? I don't know anybody that is this naive

Went from DV to drugs because domestic violence detective interviewing ex-GF was told that I was making drugs in my lab. Lab was entered by police and a drug was found in my workplace desk. Very stupid for me to leave a drug in a desk, but that's how it all started.

so there we go. You got ratted out by your ex. Upon initial investigation evidence was found that supported some sort of illegal drug activity. I am not seeing where you are having such problems with how this all a happened.

[Jache]

I probably do but...well, you've been around for quite awhile and know me pretty well by now. When have I walked away from a stupid argument?

maybe it's the dad in me but somewhere along the line I keep thinking the kids I address will actually learn something so I keep at it.

Obviously you don't recognize a kid who is trying to something about something here. Maybe if people were better educated they wouldn't do things a stupid as wasting a quarter million dollars on a pimple-face kid fresh out of college working a minimum wage job. If you think justifying why that money was wasted is stupid, then I understand how this situation was allowed to happen.