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    Default Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft

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    What shows up on any given background check depends on how deep and thorough a check is done. Just because the police weren't called doesn't mean no employer can ever learn about it. If you're looking for someone here to say it's impossible for an employer to learn about your theft sorry, but we can't in honesty tell you that.
    I agree, although its not going to show up in any criminal database because you were never arrested or cited. It could however show up in the National Retail Theft Database because that is not a criminal database. It is a database that is available to retailers who choose to participate in the database. There is no way to know whether or not Kohl's participates in that database or whether they would include people who they did not attempt to have arrested for shoplifting.

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    I agree, although its not going to show up in any criminal database because you were never arrested or cited. It could however show up in the National Retail Theft Database because that is not a criminal database. It is a database that is available to retailers who choose to participate in the database. There is no way to know whether or not Kohl's participates in that database or whether they would include people who they did not attempt to have arrested for shoplifting.
    I was reading on Yahoo Answers and I'm pretty positive that Kohl's uses the National Retail Theft Database. Let's assume that they put my name in, will a retailer like PetSmart which is not similar to Kohl's, use something like the NRTD? I could understand if HomeGoods uses that because it's more similar to Kohl's. Do you think that this indiscretion will cost me a job?

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    There is no possible way for us to tell what retailers use the data base and which do not. There isn't any formula to determine it and it's not limited to certain kinds of retailers. The whole point of the data base is that you don't know which ones are using it or not. All you can do is apply and find out.

    Oh, and don't "forget" to take off the earrings you try on next time. You're not supposed to try them on in the store in any case.

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    How long ago was this theft and were you a juvenile when it happened?

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    Most large, and many small, retailers use the NRTD. And they're not just interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from stores similar to theirs, they're interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from any store. (Whaddya think, if someone applies at PetSmart and PetSmart finds out the applicant has stolen from every kind of store in existence except pet accessory stores, that PetSmart is gonna say "well that's OK, let's hire this guy"?)

    As someone else has said, there's is absolutely no way that we could possibly know whether or not the stores you apply to are going to check the NRTD (except that it's more likely than not), or whether or not those stores will hire you after seeing your record.

    Finally, given that most/all stores prohibit people from trying on pierced earrings (most/all stores won't even let people take pierced earrings out of their packaging), and that most/all people know this, if these were pierced earrings you tried on and then walked away with, I have a very hard time believing that you weren't trying to steal them. Because pretty much no one ever tries on pierced earrings in a store. Just not done.

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    Default Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft

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    Most large, and many small, retailers use the NRTD. And they're not just interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from stores similar to theirs, they're interested in learning about their job applicants who stole from any store. (Whaddya think, if someone applies at PetSmart and PetSmart finds out the applicant has stolen from every kind of store in existence except pet accessory stores, that PetSmart is gonna say "well that's OK, let's hire this guy"?)

    As someone else has said, there's is absolutely no way that we could possibly know whether or not the stores you apply to are going to check the NRTD (except that it's more likely than not), or whether or not those stores will hire you after seeing your record.

    Finally, given that most/all stores prohibit people from trying on pierced earrings (most/all stores won't even let people take pierced earrings out of their packaging), and that most/all people know this, if these were pierced earrings you tried on and then walked away with, I have a very hard time believing that you weren't trying to steal them. Because pretty much no one ever tries on pierced earrings in a store. Just not done.
    It's okay. You don't have to believe me but it was an honest mistake and I learned my lesson, definitely not trying on any more earrings in store. My ears are double pierced and I usually have earrings in for both but I didn't have earrings in my second piercings and I usually do and my 2nd piercings were the ones that the earrings were in. It was 100% my mistake and I am completely at fault, I never realized that you couldn't try jewelry on in stores. I mean, how do you know if it looks good on you? I just don't see why I would I try to steal $8 earrings if I was at the same store like a week before and spent about $40+ buying other jewelry. I'm economically stable and I've never done anything bad and am a straight-A student. I know that sounds cliche but it's the truth. I'm not one of those people who steal for the "thrill" of it. Take it or leave it. Anyway, thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it.

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    Thanks for the information. No need to be rude. I honestly didn't know that you can't try them on. I've seen many people do it in stores and I, unfortunately, didn't remember to take them off. $8 is nothing so I just don't see the point.

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    I was 19 when this happened and still 19 now. I wasn't cited for it because it was only $8 so I don't think it would show up on my background check just maybe the NTRD.

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    How long ago was this theft and were you a juvenile when it happened?
    I was 19 when this happened and still 19 now. I wasn't cited for it because it was only $8 so I don't think it would show up on my background check just maybe the NTRD.

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    You hold the card with the earrings on up to your ear.

    You do not take them off the card and put them in your ear, and then put them back on the card. Do you have any idea what the Board of Health would say to you if they saw this thread?

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    Default Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft

    Here is my "educated guess" that I will give to you. I have some inside information as I spent many years developing and reviewing Civil Demand Programs and Theft Databases. That being said, I sat on many boards and learned quite a lot of information about these systems and who uses them.

    First, your theft exceeded the minimum dollar amount they require before your case can be accepted.

    Second, you signed a paper admitting to your theft.

    Third, major chains use the database and considering that PetSmart is a privately owned, they want to protect their investment.

    Fourth, once your name is flagged during the application process, you will receive notification. The retailer has a set period of time to "validate" the request. If they do so during the time frame, you will be denied. If not, they will probably hire you.

    If denied, request the documentation as allowed under the FCRA. It will explain everything and you can follow the steps from there.

    Some stores use the database and others don't. My "educated guess" is that the two retailers you mentioned "are" part of this "group".

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    Here is my "educated guess" that I will give to you. I have some inside information as I spent many years developing and reviewing Civil Demand Programs and Theft Databases. That being said, I sat on many boards and learned quite a lot of information about these systems and who uses them.

    First, your theft exceeded the minimum dollar amount they require before your case can be accepted.

    Second, you signed a paper admitting to your theft.

    Third, major chains use the database and considering that PetSmart is a privately owned, they want to protect their investment.

    Fourth, once your name is flagged during the application process, you will receive notification. The retailer has a set period of time to "validate" the request. If they do so during the time frame, you will be denied. If not, they will probably hire you.

    If denied, request the documentation as allowed under the FCRA. It will explain everything and you can follow the steps from there.

    Some stores use the database and others don't. My "educated guess" is that the two retailers you mentioned "are" part of this "group".
    How will I receive notification? If it's by mail, they have my old address on my driver's license and I also gave them my dorm address but they don't have my new address. Can you also explain what you mean about the "validate" part? Thanks for the info!

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    Default Re: Getting a Job When in the National Theft Database for Petty Theft

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    How do you know if it looks good on you?
    You need both earrings in your ears and walk around for a while wearing them before you can determine this?

    Bottom line is (as everyone here keeps trying to tell you): the likelihood that prospective retail employers will check the database for information about you is very high. The likelihood they will not hire you when they find said information is probably very high too.

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