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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

    A stop would be the cessation of movement. How would YOU define it? You either stopped all movement at the limit line, or, you did not.

    587. "Stop or stopping" when prohibited shall mean any cessation of
    movement of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when
    necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with
    the direction of a police officer or official traffic control device
    or signal.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

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    You do not need to make a written request to plead not guilty first. Print out the TBD form, fill it out and send it in with your check.
    However, if the OP makes a written request before submitting the form or the bail amount, that will be in complete compliance with the Rules of Court. I don't think anyone has yet said that the OP is required to make a written request first, but doing so conforms exactly to the process outlined in CRC 4.210.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

    You can't argue logically with OP, he has decided on his own definition of stop and wants to dispute the officer can testify otherwise.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

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    You can't argue logically with OP, he has decided on his own definition of stop and wants to dispute the officer can testify otherwise.
    The idea of arguing or disputing the officer's testimony is usually one of the most stupid. Unless you can show with video tape or other evidence that the officer is wrong, it's usually a dumb idea to argue. Many people think they've stopped when they haven't and judges know that. It's an extremely rare case when the defendant can convince the judge that the officer is wrong and they are right. That's why technical defenses or procedural tactics are usually a much better idea.

    And, the officer probably knows there's a hill there.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

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    You can come to a "stop" without having your suspension rock back, but to many, it is not a full stop, but according to VC 587, it can be constituted as a stop, no?
    If you have not come to a full stop, you have not stopped. So, no.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

    Ah yes, the good old fashioned question on the infamous "California stop".
    Which this action has been dubbed around the nation for decades.
    Even though the law may not specify a time frame for how long a vehicle must stop, it may have wording such as "Until all forward motion has come to rest".
    That is usually 3 to 5 seconds.
    You can't wait 5 seconds? Stay home.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

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    However, if the OP makes a written request before submitting the form or the bail amount, that will be in complete compliance with the Rules of Court. I don't think anyone has yet said that the OP is required to make a written request first, but doing so conforms exactly to the process outlined in CRC 4.210.
    Good Lord, you always need to have something to say, don't you?

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

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    Ah yes, the good old fashioned question on the infamous "California stop".
    Even though the law may not specify a time frame for how long a vehicle must stop, it may have wording such as "Until all forward motion has come to rest".
    Not MAY, it DOES say "complete cessation of motion." Those words come straight from the VC as I and others have already pointed out. This is THE law.
    There's no ambiguity.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

    Actually, I don't see what the big deal is.

    The officer will testify that he observed the vehicle fail to come to a full and complete stop. Based on his expertise and training in traffic enforcement and as a police officer, the court will accept his testimony as having established the elements of the violation.

    It will then be up to the OP to establish that he did in fact stop. He will rant on about micro stops for a fraction of a second and how this complies with the letter and spirit of the Vehicle Code and he will challenge the officer's ability to differentiate between a micro stop and a rolling stop.

    The officer will simply reiterate that based upon his experience and training, no stop occurred. The judge will roll his eyes and wonder why someone would bring such an idiotic argument into his courtroom, but then he will remind himself that without people like the OP he might not have such a good paying job with health benefits and a nice retirement. Feeling much better now he will smile and find OP guilty.

    The officer will walk out of the courtroom, chuckle and say to himself, "Justice was served today." In the mean time, the OP will stand on the courthouse steps, wonder what happened and cry, "Today, there is no justice."

    And all will be right with the world.

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    Default Re: CVC 22450 (A) Failure to Stop - Brief Stop, Bottom of Hill

    ^^^ Nicely worded. ^^^

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