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    How can you say that? Each individual has their own individual triggers. It is possible the discussion of violent situations is a trigger. I'm surely not trying to defend the op but arguing the classes cannot possibly be the source of a trigger is simply wrong.

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    And to assume that the OP cannot possibly be exaggerating to get out of taking classes he doesn't want to take is also wrong.

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    And to assume that the OP cannot possibly be exaggerating to get out of taking classes he doesn't want to take is also wrong.
    as I said, I'm not defending the op. I don't necessarily believe he has such a problem but discounting the possibility in general is showing that viol8te does not understand ptsd.

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    Let's just say I think it's such a stretch that you're about to fall on your backside and leave it at that.

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    As to whether he would know; one must assume there would be discussion of DV situations at a dv class. One can be aware of triggers to their ptsd and if didcussing DV is a known trigger then one can assume they would not be able to attend a DV class until the ptsd is controlled.
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    as I said, I'm not defending the op. I don't necessarily believe he has such a problem but discounting the possibility in general is showing that viol8te does not understand ptsd.
    As this is a criminal case, the OP can "assume" things about DV classes but his assumptions are likely to land his posterior inside a jail cell. Unless he has actual knowledge of what is going to be presented in those classes, and can provide documentation from his mental health care providers that the known content could trigger his PTSD and cannot be accommodated within the program, he can expect that his probation officer is going to continue to expect him to take those classes and that the sentencing court will treat his failure to attend as a probation violation. If he has a valid, psychological reason not to attend the classes, that's something he needs to establish to the satisfaction of his probation officer and the court, and it's something he should do well in advance of being brought back to court for a probation violation.

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    How can you say that? Each individual has their own individual triggers. It is possible the discussion of violent situations is a trigger. I'm surely not trying to defend the op but arguing the classes cannot possibly be the source of a trigger is simply wrong.
    I am not arguing about triggers and what the OP states may be a hindrance to the subject being able to complete a domestic violence program. However, the subject matter in general is presented in a way where alternatives to violence is introduced. The perpetrator in itself is showcased in the group as the material in most cases. Usually, the defendant's own violent trangressions thet lead him to the program.

    Maybe it's that reason alone that prevents me from feeling much sympathy for the argument that PTSD hinders him from doing the program. It didn't hinder him from beating the brakes off his victim as many times as he did to warrant a DVP. Most program facilitators are reaching for the defendant at each turn in an attempt to better the defendant's chances of changing his belief system. If there is an issue where PTSD hinders his ability to absorb the material, the facilitator will inform the PO and we'll attempt to assist the defendant in getting treatment for that issue as well. But no PO is going to allow the " I have PTSD" argument to go unchallenged. It's asking for the defendant to reooffend.

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    Having been treated for PTSD, perhaps I can have some empathy, but a life void of triggers is not an entitlement. Anyway, avoiding triggers takes a lot of energy. Learning to deal with triggers and minimize or eliminate avoidance behaviors is a goal of therapy, one he is hopefully pursuing. Perhaps his therapist can accompany him to the class, if he needs immediate help dealing with the triggers, if they even occur. That wouldn't be free, but might be better than an alternative that could include incarceration. Having PTSD does not excuse him from facing consequences for his actions, and it was his choice to engage in wrong behavior, rather than confronting his issues. This isn't to say having experienced things that will cause PTSD doesn't suck. The fact he has PTSD is unfortunate and makes it possible to perhaps understand his actions, but it does not serve to justify them Making the decision to hurt someone else is not an automatic result of PTSD, even if it is an explanation for what has occurred.

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    That is an excellent point. One of the tools that the domestic violence program that we use teaches is, recognizing cues. DVP also teaches recognizing triggers and how to relax yourself in these stressful situations. The challenge that defendant's receive in DVP designed to allow the defendant an opportunity to think for good, not to antagonize the defendant into going home and beating his partner. Is it is apparent that the defendant is unable to complete the program, then the PO will be informed and proper steps will take place.

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    I am not arguing about triggers and what the OP states may be a hindrance to the subject being able to complete a domestic violence program. However, the subject matter in general is presented in a way where alternatives to violence is introduced. The perpetrator in itself is showcased in the group as the material in most cases. Usually, the defendant's own violent trangressions thet lead him to the program.

    Maybe it's that reason alone that prevents me from feeling much sympathy for the argument that PTSD hinders him from doing the program. It didn't hinder him from beating the brakes off his victim as many times as he did to warrant a DVP. Most program facilitators are reaching for the defendant at each turn in an attempt to better the defendant's chances of changing his belief system. If there is an issue where PTSD hinders his ability to absorb the material, the facilitator will inform the PO and we'll attempt to assist the defendant in getting treatment for that issue as well. But no PO is going to allow the " I have PTSD" argument to go unchallenged. It's asking for the defendant to reooffend.
    I never it should go unchallenged. All I said was you were dismissing the possibility the op, or anybody actually, might actually have a negative reaction due to the classes.

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