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    Default Re: Can't Do D.v. Classes Due to P.t.s.d

    how does his ptsd prevent him from attending dv classes?


    and simply having proof of having ptsd is not going to allow him to be excused. He is going to have to have his doctor write a letter stating he cannot and likely why. Then he can present it to his PO and ask if there is any alternative.

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    his PTSD is do crippling that he can't attend a class, but he was ok enough to beat up his girlfriend?

    yea ok sure that's believable.

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    He is going to have to have his doctor write a letter stating he cannot and likely why. Then he can present it to his PO and ask if there is any alternative.
    If his PTSD is so bad that he cannot attend domestic violence classes, documentation of the problem should come from his mental health care providers. But I'm wondering -- how does this person know he cannot attend a class that he has never tried to attend?

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    If his PTSD is so bad that he cannot attend domestic violence classes, documentation of the problem should come from his mental health care providers. But I'm wondering -- how does this person know he cannot attend a class that he has never tried to attend?
    i referenced his doctor. I should have been more clear as yes, the doctor in question would be the one that either diagnosed him or is currently treating him.


    As to whether he would know; one must assume there would be discussion of DV situations at a dv class. One can be aware of triggers to their ptsd and if didcussing DV is a known trigger then one can assume they would not be able to attend a DV class until the ptsd is controlled.


    It would be no different than friends of mine that have ptsd due to military activities. If somebody suggested they go to a meeting where their respective activities were performed would be discussed they would know not to attend as thst sort of discussion is a known trigger.

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    There is nothing in the curriculum that is provided in the DV programs that should trigger PTSD. Most of the stuff is informational and personal stories of the offenders as examples. You will never see victims come into a group and present material like a Victim Impact Panel.

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    How can you say that? Each individual has their own individual triggers. It is possible the discussion of violent situations is a trigger. I'm surely not trying to defend the op but arguing the classes cannot possibly be the source of a trigger is simply wrong.

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    Default Re: Can't Do D.v. Classes Due to P.t.s.d

    And to assume that the OP cannot possibly be exaggerating to get out of taking classes he doesn't want to take is also wrong.

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    And to assume that the OP cannot possibly be exaggerating to get out of taking classes he doesn't want to take is also wrong.
    as I said, I'm not defending the op. I don't necessarily believe he has such a problem but discounting the possibility in general is showing that viol8te does not understand ptsd.

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    How can you say that? Each individual has their own individual triggers. It is possible the discussion of violent situations is a trigger. I'm surely not trying to defend the op but arguing the classes cannot possibly be the source of a trigger is simply wrong.
    I am not arguing about triggers and what the OP states may be a hindrance to the subject being able to complete a domestic violence program. However, the subject matter in general is presented in a way where alternatives to violence is introduced. The perpetrator in itself is showcased in the group as the material in most cases. Usually, the defendant's own violent trangressions thet lead him to the program.

    Maybe it's that reason alone that prevents me from feeling much sympathy for the argument that PTSD hinders him from doing the program. It didn't hinder him from beating the brakes off his victim as many times as he did to warrant a DVP. Most program facilitators are reaching for the defendant at each turn in an attempt to better the defendant's chances of changing his belief system. If there is an issue where PTSD hinders his ability to absorb the material, the facilitator will inform the PO and we'll attempt to assist the defendant in getting treatment for that issue as well. But no PO is going to allow the " I have PTSD" argument to go unchallenged. It's asking for the defendant to reooffend.

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    Having been treated for PTSD, perhaps I can have some empathy, but a life void of triggers is not an entitlement. Anyway, avoiding triggers takes a lot of energy. Learning to deal with triggers and minimize or eliminate avoidance behaviors is a goal of therapy, one he is hopefully pursuing. Perhaps his therapist can accompany him to the class, if he needs immediate help dealing with the triggers, if they even occur. That wouldn't be free, but might be better than an alternative that could include incarceration. Having PTSD does not excuse him from facing consequences for his actions, and it was his choice to engage in wrong behavior, rather than confronting his issues. This isn't to say having experienced things that will cause PTSD doesn't suck. The fact he has PTSD is unfortunate and makes it possible to perhaps understand his actions, but it does not serve to justify them Making the decision to hurt someone else is not an automatic result of PTSD, even if it is an explanation for what has occurred.

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