Well of course I had to oversimplify it. It was the only way to climb down and meet you at your own level.Again, I have lost the freedom I once had not to get insurance if I chose not to. I did have insurance until the law made it unaffordable for me.
I am wondering if it might be approached once the taxes are levied. I know that sounds simplistic, but at that point we will see an actual exchange of monies whereas now no monies have changed hands.
To be realistic, I think it is a matter of "You can't fight City Hall," lol, but, I still identify it as the Government regulating what should be private enterprise, which should bother everyone.
This is what is disturbing about the current trend of governmental power being expanded into the public arena: just like law was promoted with what is beginning to look like bald-faced lies, such as keeping the insurance we had and doctors we had, why would we be foolish enough to think that the terms of taxation are going to stay the same?
Is that how taxation usually works?
And that it is given in terms of percentage of income is a big deal.
The bottom line is that for some...they are going to have to decide between the lesser of two evils. buy the bloated insurance policies, or pay anyway.
You're right...you are simplifying the matter, right out of reasonable relevance.
I asked earlier for an example of a parallel, and gave car insurance as an example. That is not a parallel. Nor is having a license. The government does not require anyone to have a license, or a relevant issue...insurance on cars they are not forced to own.
It is not a coincidence that governmental regulation came with a dramatic increase of cost (in my own personal case almost double) as well as the consequences of the deceitful and dishonest way it was promoted by which it was made law.
I simply do not understand how this was something the past election held as a primary issue when a more pressing issue was the economy itself.
Thanks for that, llworking, it puts things in perspective.
And that is precisely the point.
It was stated in a manner of "The Government is not forcing you to get insurance," but the truth is that if an ultimatum is given which does not allow for an actual independent choice made by the one given the ultimatum, then it is in fact a matter of forcing something on the People which was not before the case, much less the law.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Again, not a good parallel, nor can we compare it to something like standard insurances we acquire for things we, not the Government, decide to buy, like houses or cars or boats.
We were already "paying for it" in regards to the healthcare that those who do not have insurance already had available to them. No hospital in the country could have refused to treat someone who requested help, and at that point they could apply for government assistance, which at this point, it is really a matter of making the options so that one that cannot afford the increased costs of healthcare...they are forced to apply for governmental assistance.
Advanced economic nations?
Would you mind expanding on that?
They can still do that with the funds they are extorting from citizens who do not want to comply with this law.
It's like the taxes are minimal.
How about this for a parallel for you guys to think about: governmental regulations of HVAC standards, most of which have behind them an effort to save the environment, have actually put heating and cooling beyond the reach of those with less money. They are then forced to hire unlicensed, unqualified, and often unethical "contractors" to repair or replace heating systems which can oftentimes mean life or death literally for that person. If they can afford to do anything at all, that is.
The parallel is to the increase of cost, because no-one is forced to have heating or cooling (except for landlords, as I understand it, who have to maintain 65 degrees for the tenant). But it is the regulation which causes the increase in cost. Beginning in January of 2015, 14 SEER will be the minimum.
Lot of tax money being made there, but we wouldn't think the dollar has anything to do with this, would we?
Depends on what you would define "reasonable" as. And I question these polls. Have you ever been part of one? If so, you would be the first person I have ever spoken to that has. And as far as polls go, they usually are supportive of whatever cause one supports, and an unreliable method of obtaining the sentiment of the People. I would venture a guess that we could find polls which show a margin of disfavor, unless we qualify the poll or limit it to a particular aspect of an issue. I myself would support this, but that would not yield a favorable view towards governmental extortion.
Insurance companies going under? If that is a valid possibility, I would suggest that perhaps that might not be such a bad thing. As Americans it is just my belief we would have overcome such an event. Haven't we always? Did America collapse at any point in our history due to companies going under?
Well, you ask for an alternative, and I have one for you: let's get some people in there who have a little common sense when it comes to stewardship of the funds that are already available.
Sounds pretty simplistic, I know, but the fact is that waste and lawsuits are two areas which have seriously impacted healthcare. The abuse of the system by those who have no intention of paying their own way could be curtailed quite extensively, I believe.
Here's another aspect: the psych racket. Mental health is a big business these days, and doesn't matter who you are, there is a diagnosis and a medication for you, just waiting.
The "poor" were already covered, we generally call it welfare. No discrimination of age, sex, or race, all you need is to sound legitimate. And not even that sometimes.
There are legitimate cases and I am personally glad that we have programs for those that are in desperate straits, really. but anyone that doesn't think that the system is being a willing victim of fraud is simply not paying attention.
We could likely fund free health insurance simply by imposing drug testing for welfare recipients.
Could you expand on that?
Not sure I do believe a goal of insuring everyone is a worthy cause. In fact, by making governmental assistance ridiculously easy I think we do more harm than good. I agree, those that legitimately need help...help. But those that use the system so they do not have to work...those are the ones that should be penalized.
This extends to employment issues as well. Had an employee file for unemployment when he was still working with me. Told them that, they didn't care. Despite the fact that he said he had been fired. Sent the same paperwork four times, all four times making it cvery clear he didn't even meet the requirements their own agency require, and the result? He got the benefits.
So sue me for firing him. lol
And why is that? Because everyone wasn't doing their fare share?
That is certainly true, but the wrong people are the ones charged with this. I was paying for a policy out of my own pocket, and they want me to now pay for me and someone else?
I agree. It is unfortunate that this is the change we got. Instead of laying responsibility on those that truly impacted healthcare negatively, those that were contributing positively are the ones affected.
The true change that was needed was better oversight of the use of the funds that were already available.
Another example would be home healthcare. My mother has medicare and after breaking a leg received a home health nurse five hours a day five days a week and well past the time when she even needed it. Her nurse told me about a veteran who has no family and who is not mobile and cannot do for himself who only "qualified" for two days a week.
What kind of sense does that make?
That is not what happened? I guess I can understand someone viewing it that way.
Sorry, but that doesn't mean a lot as far as I am concerned, any more than Obama deciding to issue pardons to illegal immigrants.
Here's a clue: get rid of the nitwits running things now. Enforce a little common sense back into governmental agencies and demand that some of the nonsense going on now...stop. Stop funding those that use the system. Demand stricter laws governing suits. Stop increasing costs of insurance doctors have to pay because of lawsuits.
No sense in talking about a new "system" until some common sense is applied. This new system is going to fare no better as long as we have the same nitwit policies and practices which played a far greater role in the decline and strength of healthcare in America.
Hope I haven't disappointed you.
If the percentage of Americans that object to this law has no impact on laws like this being enacted, do you seriously think that your advice here means something?
I agree solutions are going to make some people unhappy, but consider that from my perspective: I was perfectly happy paying for a health insurance policy that I waited about 7 years to afford. If things were ran in simply a common sense manner then yes, people will be unhappy that they are no longer allowed to bilk the system and impose a burden on those who do pay taxes as well as pay out of their own pocket for something that is not a constitutional right, but a privilege earned. No-one is owed anything in this country that can be bought. That means food, clothing, shelter...much less health insurance. You have a right to pursue life, liberty, and happiness, but nowhere is it written you can do it on someone else's dime. We stand apart as the first country I know of built on common sense principles such as that. Historically, the rule of law was the stronger guy dines, while the weaker dies. In this country we do not survive through injury to others, but a strengthening of self. No-one stopping us from achieving what we want to achieve, except ourselves.
Me, I don't need insurance, because I have always subscribed to the Abrahamic Plan, and that has been sufficient. But that doesn't mean that as an American citizen...I can't protest a government that as far as I am concerned, has become lawless, and the precedent only forebodes an increase to that trend, and an end to what has made America the greatest nation this earth has ever seen.