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    Default Should Child Model sites be legal

    There is a case currently going to trial in Alabama involving one of the largest Child Model site companies (Webe Web) which has now been taken offline. All their models were always clothed yet they are being accused of creating and selling porn and now face the possibility of 15-30 years in prison and fines of $500,000 or more. All these sites contained was galleries of pictures of young models in various costumes. Do you think any form of Child Model sites like this should be legal?
    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6139524.html

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    There is a case currently going to trial in Alabama involving one of the largest Child Model site companies (Webe Web) which has now been taken offline. All their models were always clothed yet they are being accused of creating and selling porn and now face the possibility of 15-30 years in prison and fines of $500,000 or more. All these sites contained was galleries of pictures of young models in various costumes. Do you think any form of Child Model sites like this should be legal?
    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6139524.html

    What's makes you think they were not making and creating porn with children?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15977010...915829/page/2/

    I do not think the site you mention should be legal.

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    What's makes you think they were not making and creating porn with children?
    Are you asking whether I think photos of young models dressed in various costumes is porn or if I think they were doing something else apart from that?

    There is no evidence that there was anything apart from that - at least not in this case, with Webe Web. In some other cases there was more to it...

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    Are you asking whether I think photos of young models dressed in various costumes is porn or if I think they were doing something else apart from that?

    There is no evidence that there was anything apart from that - at least not in this case, with Webe Web. In some other cases there was more to it...
    How do you know that?

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    How do you know that?
    From news stories, court case results and from reading forums and sometimes talking to people there who knew what was (and was not) available.

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    From news stories, court case results and from reading forums and sometimes talking to people there who knew what was (and was not) available.
    Maybe the people you discussed it with did not see the same things the FBI did. They may have been only viewing the gallery that did not show the pictures that are in question.

    (This first link is on the 80-count indictment that was unsealed on November 28, 2006.

    http://birmingham.fbi.gov/dojpressre...6/bh112806.htm

    http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...l/16239766.htm

    http://www.tidesports.com/article/20...00364/0/NEWS12

    (This link is interesting also. Some of the people have viewed the site and as photoghraphers they felt it was inappopriate.)

    http://www.sportsshooter.com/message...html?tid=22793

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    My opinion still stands that it should be shut down. Now whether or not the case will be successful is yet to be seen.

    I base my opinion on the fact that the feds investigated for two years and believe they have enough evidence to prosecute.

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    Thanks for the photographers opinion link - that was new and interesting to me.

    I think there is an issue of freedom here - not just personal taste. Sure, there are lots of things we may not like ourselves but if others like them and they are not necessarily harmful then I think they should be allowed. I say "not necessarily harmful" because there are many things that are legal to do that could be harmful... smoking, drinking, physical-contact sports - even driving a car. We have a responsibility to be careful about how we do things but we can't eliminate all risk from life.

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    Thanks for the photographers opinion link - that was new and interesting to me.

    I think there is an issue of freedom here - not just personal taste. Sure, there are lots of things we may not like ourselves but if others like them and they are not necessarily harmful then I think they should be allowed. I say "not necessarily harmful" because there are many things that are legal to do that could be harmful... smoking, drinking, physical-contact sports - even driving a car. We have a responsibility to be careful about how we do things but we can't eliminate all risk from life.
    I'm sure a lot more about this case will be revealed.

    It is in the "best interest of the children" that these types of cases be looked into, so that innocent children do not become victims.

    I wish this was not the case with that site, but I fear that it is.

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    I haven't read all the presented links, but here's my overall opinion:

    This is a gray area. Why technically from the looks of things there is no lavacious nudity and/or poses of minors, then that constitutes is as legal. But, even though this site seems legal, I can only imagine how many freaks visit the site and think of illegal acts they would like to do, provoking them to commit a crime against a child. I'm sure there are people out there who have good intentions, but I think the site is too big of a risk for our children. As it stands, from what you said in the first post, it looks legal. I'm all for modeling, but starting before 12, with funny lookin clothes and make up, is rediculous. This reminds me of the Jon Bennet Ramsey case. Let your kids be kids. Let them play basketball, and video games. Only dress them up for church or funerals, they need to know that beauty is on the inside not the outside. That's why society has gone to pot (ha ha pot, pass the bong). Anyway that's the end of my rant, I guess.

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    ...I can only imagine how many freaks visit the site and think of illegal acts they would like to do, provoking them to commit a crime against a child. I'm sure there are people out there who have good intentions, but I think the site is too big of a risk for our children.
    The law is not currently concerned about our thoughts. There are many people who think they would like to kill someone at various times - they aren't punished for that unless they convey that intention (seriously threaten) or start to act on their intention.

    The other side of the coin here is that sites like those (child modeling) may stop or reduce the need for viewers to go looking for girls in real life - it is much easier, safer and cheaper to do it online. Most people can distinguish between fantasy and reality and don't wish to act on fantasies they may have that are enjoyable in themselves - e.g. like fiction books and movies. Looking at modeling websites is no more dangerous to the models than watching movies is to the actors.
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    I'm all for modeling, but starting before 12, with funny lookin clothes and make up, is rediculous. This reminds me of the Jon Bennet Ramsey case. Let your kids be kids. Let them play basketball, and video games. Only dress them up for church or funerals, they need to know that beauty is on the inside not the outside.
    Many kids love to play dress-up. Many love to model - it makes them feel good. I think it's important that they do enjoy it too. However many parents push their children to learn various skills (music, sport, etc). Is that OK?

    Thanks for the replies.

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