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    Default Re: Should Child Model sites be legal

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    One of the central issues is the purpose of these sites. I doubt that a single modeling agency anywhere in the world has any interest in the sites. So who is paying for them and why?
    I'm not sure if that's an issue from a legal perspective, but it is an interesting question nevertheless... I wouldn't rule out the possibility of interest from other modeling agencies ...or even filmmakers, but that isn't the main purpose of these child modeling sites.

    Before addressing the question directly I'd like to take a sarcastic aside which I will leave you to work out the significance of...

    Why do people buy guns? There's only one thing guns are made for and that's to kill people! These people who buy guns are ready and willing to kill people. They are all would-be murderers. They should have their guns taken off them and be locked up and not released until they have had counseling and agreed not to ever own a gun again! [/sarcasm]

    "So who is paying for Child Model site memberships and why?"

    There are many possible reasons why people may join these sites... The only reason in common is that the viewer likes to view what is presented on the site. Many people in society are lonely and have no beauty around them. We are not all lucky enough to have a partner and children of our own. Children bring joy to the lives of many people who they have contact with. Not everyone recognizes that but the people who join these sites do. Much like how some people idolize the stars of music and film, others idolize the beauty and charm that children bring. To have a safe way to bring this happiness to many is a very desirable thing, IMO, not something to be condemned.

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    I think what Eric means by the accusers cropping the images to make them look illegal is that they choose to take just one or two photos out of a set of over 100 photos and focus all their attention on those photos. That is equivalent to cropping a single photo to have the focus on the crotch and then calling it illegal.
    No I mean like this news report from NBC.
    http://www.nbc15online.com/mediacent...videoId=229787

    Taking a photo & chopping off the head, legs, waist, or other body parts, to make it look like the photos were photos of specific body parts.

    Also there's a one or two second video clip from an hour long Yoga video, that just happened to be at the time the girl's rear end was bent over her head.

    And yes naturally on any story like this, the one or two photos from a model's thousands of photos, is going to be the one or two photos that most look like the bias they are trying convey to the audience.

    Personally I think it speaks volumes, that for a company that's supposedly selling child porn photos on the internet, that from hundreds of thousands photos to choose from, they had to alter almost every photo (if not every photo) to make them look shocking for their TV audience.

    Each photo has the model's name clearing on them, so people knew where that model's web site is when someone posts that model's photos on the internet. So if you don't see the logo, or a blur out of the logo, you know the photo was cropped. (The same applies for videos.)

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    You guys own the site, or something?

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    This whole thing reminds me of an old joke.

    A person with a problem comes to a doctor: he can't stop thinking about sex. After few questions, the doctor decided to conduct a simple test. He shows a picture with a black circle on a white background.

    "Oh! I see!! That's a pond, there is couple in it and they are doing it!!!" the patient promptly replies.

    Intrigued the doctor shows the next picture with a black square on it.

    The patient reacts quickly: "That's a bedroom window and the couple in there are doing it!!".

    Completely confused the doctor shows him the last picture with a black triangle on it.

    The patient doesn't think twice: "That's a camping tent and the couple inside are doing it!!!".

    Now totally lost the doctor stops for a moment to think what to do next.

    Suddenly, his patient's face becomes suspicious: "Doctor, where did you get such dirty pictures?!?".

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    You guys own the site, or something?
    No, but I know of the owners. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I was one of the moderators at their forum. (BabbleClub.com)

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    Oh, come on. The people paying for access are pedophiles. It's not somebody else's imagination which makes the pictures sexual.

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    I'm not sure if that's an issue from a legal perspective, but it is an interesting question nevertheless... I wouldn't rule out the possibility of interest from other modeling agencies ...or even filmmakers, but that isn't the main purpose of these child modeling sites.

    Before addressing the question directly I'd like to take a sarcastic aside which I will leave you to work out the significance of...

    Why do people buy guns? There's only one thing guns are made for and that's to kill people! These people who buy guns are ready and willing to kill people. They are all would-be murderers. They should have their guns taken off them and be locked up and not released until they have had counseling and agreed not to ever own a gun again! [/sarcasm]

    "So who is paying for Child Model site memberships and why?"

    There are many possible reasons why people may join these sites... The only reason in common is that the viewer likes to view what is presented on the site. Many people in society are lonely and have no beauty around them. We are not all lucky enough to have a partner and children of our own. Children bring joy to the lives of many people who they have contact with. Not everyone recognizes that but the people who join these sites do. Much like how some people idolize the stars of music and film, others idolize the beauty and charm that children bring. To have a safe way to bring this happiness to many is a very desirable thing, IMO, not something to be condemned.
    Are you kidding? This is a joke, right? Or you are very na´ve. There is nothing wrong with being naive, but you are coming across as defending a website that has been closed and the owner is not just being investigated, he was investigated and was charged.

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    This whole thing reminds me of an old joke.

    A person with a problem comes to a doctor: he can't stop thinking about sex. After few questions, the doctor decided to conduct a simple test. He shows a picture with a black circle on a white background.

    "Oh! I see!! That's a pond, there is couple in it and they are doing it!!!" the patient promptly replies.

    Intrigued the doctor shows the next picture with a black square on it.

    The patient reacts quickly: "That's a bedroom window and the couple in there are doing it!!".

    Completely confused the doctor shows him the last picture with a black triangle on it.

    The patient doesn't think twice: "That's a camping tent and the couple inside are doing it!!!".

    Now totally lost the doctor stops for a moment to think what to do next.

    Suddenly, his patient's face becomes suspicious: "Doctor, where did you get such dirty pictures?!?".
    I never heard this "old joke". What's the point of this? Are you suggesting that pornographic material showing lewd poses of minors is just in the eyes of the beholder? You should seriously consider continuing your education with some psychology and sociology courses.

    There is very little humor about using children in pornography to sell products or to sell themselves.

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    Are you kidding? This is a joke, right? Or you are very na´ve. There is nothing wrong with being naive, but you are coming across as defending a website that has been closed and the owner is not just being investigated, he was investigated and was charged.
    Since when does being charged equate guilt? Last I heard a person in this country is considered innocent until proved guilty.

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    Oh, come on. The people paying for access are pedophiles. It's not somebody else's imagination which makes the pictures sexual.
    I am turned on by the site of a woman's mouth as she eats, sometimes even a news anchor who's doing nothing more than delivering the news. If I fantasize about these women, does that make their images sexual?

    What if I find your post to be sexually arousing, does that make you gay? Are you trying to turn me on?

    More to the point: SO WHAT if someone is attracted to younger girls. The fact is that most men are and many women are, but the vast majority are in total denial about it. Look at Ex-Senator Mark Foley, who sponsored legislation to ban child modeling (Webe Web is located in his district) yet he gets booted from the Senate for hitting on minors.

    What is YOUR goal in having laws? Is it to regulate how people think? How they feel? Does it matter if someone is a member of a child modeling site for the purpose of being stimulated by the images? What are you going to do about the millions of men who download pre-18 images of girls like Hillary Duff, the Olsen Twins, Amanda Bynes, or Lindsay Lohan? Should they all be locked up?

    The desire to control the thoughts and feelings of others is very Orwellian, yet it is how the majority of Americans (and probably humans everywhere) feel.

    It's OK to think and feel whatever you want. Everyone here has felt rage while driving, wished someone was dead, etc., but that does not make us murderers or dangerously violent. It's BEHAVIOR that matters, not thoughts and feelings. This is why I am adamantly opposed to Hate Crimes legislation, it's another form of Thought Policing.

    The tricky question about the child modeling issue is not whether pedo's look at the pics (they do) --- the question, rather, is "Will this harm the children who are being photographed?"

    It depends on where they live. In some countries they willl grow up being honored and it won't affect them. It might help them. But in our Puritanical society, the models will potentially be scorned and shamed by those who supposedly care about their well-being. Ironic much? The process of being photographed and admired doesn't hurt children.

    Does viewing pics cause a pedo to act out with a child in real life? We don't yet know. There's an obvious correlation between those who look and those who touch, but I could just as easily argue that the availability of images causes LESS harm to children because it provides an outlet for some who might otherwise seek "the real thing." If anyone can show that increased harm is done to minors because of their photos and videos being viewed by older people, then I might start listening to legal arguments against child modeling websites.

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