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    Default Re: Should Child Model sites be legal

    interesting topic

    let me ask you these(to all of you as it pertains)

    1- are some of the videos(made by the girls all by themselves) in youtube legal?
    1-a if you say they are legal, why are they legal, yet the ones in "some"(not all of them, as some defitnely go too far) of the web modeling sites would be considered by you illegal(even if they could be considerably tamer than ones in youtube)

    2- why is it ok for "top models" who could be between 14 and 17 to model lingerie in a fashion show? yet are against web models of the same age to dress normal underwear that is "less sexy" than the lingerie of the top fashion shows of the world

    3- who is more protected? a web model?(we talking sites that don't go into nudes or worse) or a top fashion model who could get into the drugs and the pressures of being very thin so prominent in that world?

    4- how you feel about regular entertainment who allows young actresses and singers(like Cristina Aguilera, Britney Spears, TLC, 3LW, Vanessa Hudgens, and countless others) in the past or in the present when they were/are younger than 18 to sing and pose in a sensual(sometimes almost sexual) manner?

    5- what is worse?

    a web model that is 17 or less in photos were is non-nude, and spotlighting her personality, and beauty(as in face and her expressions)

    or a site where

    a girl that is 18 years old and 1 day old, in photos where she is doing bestiality, golden shower, and other stuff, and all considered legal because she "just became" an adult?

    6- in the case of a pedophile, do you think that the problem is solved by closing sites that are willing to follow guidelines of decency? as they would start getting stores catalogs with pictures of girls in them, and reading(and going to the sites) of teen-beat, Disney channel, Nickelodeon and such, and becoming fans of the top-models who are not 18, of the gimnastits girls and figure skaters, and more likely to go to the public beach and to the school grounds to watch the girls? and to continue going to the real trash of underground sites, where the girls are simply nude(at best) or doing hardcore CP?(at worse); and the USA govertnament can't truly do anything since they are done in other nations?

    7- how all of us know what are the pics they talking about? you truly know how the photos are? or you imagining how they are by the words the prosecutors are using? and how would they compare to pics of high fashion models(that I mentioned already), and to pictures of actresses and singers in teen-beat, maxim(don't be shocked, some of the girls in there have been 16 or 17 years old), cosmopolitan and such?

    all I want to make you realize, is that we can't judge things by what we imagene, or by word of mouth of others

    I can say

    "Linda was too provocative in her dress*

    and no one of us would have the same image, and if we saw her, many of you would say

    "what you talking about? she is dressing in more decent clothes than what my daughter is allowed to wear"

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    My opinion still stands that it should be shut down. Now whether or not the case will be successful is yet to be seen.

    I base my opinion on the fact that the feds investigated for two years and believe they have enough evidence to prosecute.
    I see it as just the opposite. Two years of investigation seems to indicate to me they were having an awful hard time finding anything they could show to a judge that a judge could ever consider being even remotely boarding on anything illegal.

    I've followed Webe Web's child modeling sites from when they only had two child web models. BTW One of the models (Lil Amber) had done adversing modeling prior to becoming a web model.

    I've also been a moderator (one of several moderators) of their forums for a few years.

    Two things that always made Webe Web stand out from all the other child web modeling sites (Aside from the fact that they were the first & have always been the largest.) was;

    1) They were always consider tame compared to their competitors. And were vigilant about keeping up with staying well within the boundaries of what's considered legal.

    2) They always demanded that fans respect the models on their web model forums. (Which is why the had so many moderators.)

    I believe the motivation is (and has always been) if they can make a child pornography case against Webe Web stick, they can make a case against any under age model site, or under age model agency stick. If a case can be made against Webe Web, all U.S. based under 18 web modeling sites can be quickly & easily prosecuted for distributing child pornography.

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    Eric, being a moderator of that site doesn't mean you are aware of everything that is happening at that site or what was happening through the USPS.

    Two years to gather evidence is not very long; the feds were getting all the information they could to insure a solid case.

    As I said, there will be more revealed about this case.

    If there are other sites that are doing illegal activities, then those sites should be shut down and prosecuted as well.

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    Eric

    as you seem to be part of that world(web modeling, at least as a fan and costumer)

    is it possible that pics exchanged between the photographer and the web site owners could be more explicit than ones shown on actual site?

    and from what I have gotten from brief visits to the sites(ones open to public as I never joined any site) or in the case of webe web to the archives(as the sites are not accesible anymore since the DOJ closed them), it seems that Cindy is much more tamer than webe web; and webe web even thought it looks like is between the boundaries of what is allowed under law, it is near those boundaries

    and happy


    "Two years to gather evidence is not very long; the feds were getting all the information they could to insure a solid case.

    As I said, there will be more revealed about this case."

    you talking like you know what exactly are the pics the DOJ has

    yet in earlier posts you state you based your opinion on what DOJ says, and in word of mouth of others, not in the opinion of what you saw

    as I posted earlier

    I can say

    "Linda was too provocative in her dress*

    and no one of us would have the same image, and if we saw her, many of you would say

    "what you talking about? she is dressing in more decent clothes than what my daughter is allowed to wear"
    if I traveled through time and got any person from 1905, they would very likely to be outraged about the pics in sports illustrated swimmsuit issue, and about what teens and preteens are wearing at their Jr High and High schools

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    and from what I have gotten from brief visits to the sites(ones open to public as I never joined any site) or in the case of webe web to the archives(as the sites are not accesible anymore since the DOJ closed them), it seems that Cindy is much more tamer than webe web; and webe web even thought it looks like is between the boundaries of what is allowed under law, it is near those boundaries
    I followed some of the pictures early on when the company only had a few models, but haven't paid much attention to them for a few years now. I don't know who Cindy is, so I can't comment.

    As far as being near the boarder, that might be possible since so many competing sites always tried to push the boundaries as far as they could get away with. But I do know Webe Web never crossed that boarder & put the models & the customers ahead of profits, other wise they would have been shut down a long time ago.

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    and happy


    "Two years to gather evidence is not very long; the feds were getting all the information they could to insure a solid case.

    As I said, there will be more revealed about this case."

    you talking like you know what exactly are the pics the DOJ has

    yet in earlier posts you state you based your opinion on what DOJ says, and in word of mouth of others, not in the opinion of what you saw

    as I posted earlier



    if I traveled through time and got any person from 1905, they would very likely to be outraged about the pics in sports illustrated swimmsuit issue, and about what teens and preteens are wearing at their Jr High and High schools
    I agree, but since you and I have not seen the evidence that the feds have gathered, I can't compare it to a swimsuit issue. Besides, we are talking about "child exploitation" not women in swimsuits.

    If you read the links I provided (you can also research other information about this case) you will see it was a 12 year old girl and her mother (who asked to remain anonymous) that went to the feds in the first place.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15977010

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    Cindy is the Texas? girl that is run by curt newbury studio

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_modeling_(erotic)

    is shown in the last part of this page

    and it is interesting to note that the laws of the USA and the UK about child modeling are vastly different than the ones of most nations around the world

    about Curt newbury, as I did a small search, I found out he was at one time the photographer of Tamera and Tia Mowry(the twins of the TV series sister sister )

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    about the anonymous model

    it could be his against her word, because she changed her mind; and didn't want to simply tell him, no more

    or might be speculation on her part(as in as an example, he allowed her to see him taking the pics, but not to see her kid, because he knew the kid would be uncomfortable seeing her mom watching her; and she saw the gun, and she speculated he was ready to use it)

    about the pics style

    the pics themselves don't influence how other people act

    some people might act on themselves while watching a program like Hanna Montana, or High school musical, or a few years ago on the Amanda show in Nick, or while watching All that

    it is basically like saying is a girl's fault if she was dressing sexy, that she got raped

    even if a girl makes out with a guy, if the guy takes complete action and rapes her, it would be stupid to say it is the girl's fault for flirting with the guy

    we could take pics like these as unlawful, because some guys would get hot watching them

    http://www.i12bbq.strana.de/jamiespe...s/jamie032.jpg
    http://www.i12bbq.strana.de/jamiespe...s/jamie033.jpg
    http://www.i12bbq.strana.de/jamiespe...s/jamie034.jpg
    www.teamgsb.com/05apr/05/spears201.jpg

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    Verdad, did you read the entire article?

    You need to scroll past the advertisings and read the part where the mother went in and saw what her daughter was wearing.

    The charges against these people are not a "he said, she said" case; that only triggered the investigation.

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    happy

    I ilustrated the swimmsuit issue as a way to ilustrate how the mind of a person in 1905 is different than one of 2006

    not to equalize a girl in a swimmsuit to someone taking advantage of a female

    and I am dissapointed on how women are exploited sexually(talking all ages)

    what is so different about a girl that is 17 and 3/4 years old and another that is 18 yrs and 1 day old

    and why so many people that say they hate seeing the 17 yr old in a non-nude picture, yet they don't see a problem with watching the 18 year old(and remember, we talking 3 months difference) in a hardcore site?

    that is the biggest hypocrisy I see.

    the same person could say

    "it was awful that the 19 year old man had sex with the 17 year old, no matter if both say they love each other"


    and later

    "I saw the new actress that is 18 do a scene where she was doing an orgy with 4 men that were 30 or older, and it was great"

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